[mschuster91]

> Can you provide some calculations of being able to afford anything at all for a, say, software developer earning 80k per-year in Paris, Berlin or Amsterdam and compare that to 280k in the Valley?

I did just that in a sibling comment. 80k is upper class in Germany, solid middle class can be achieved at 60k.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48340349

[lII1lIlI11ll]

Does achieving "solid middle class" in Munich on 60k somehow involve inheriting an apartment from your late grandma?

[mschuster91]

It does not. Source: did that until last year when we had to move for the new job of my wife. Rented a 60 m² apartment.

[lII1lIlI11ll]

So you conveniently omitted that your wife was also contributing? Is being "solid middle class" in Germany assumes to ever be able to buy your own apartment (preferably not a a 60m^2 shoe-box)?

[mschuster91]

Back then she was studying, so... no.

[spwa4]

Why not just give the prices?