[wiseowise]

> elitist junk masquerading as logic

Lol. "Déformation professionnelle" is an elitist junk these days. It's a defect, and I would gladly get rid my brain of all this programming bullshit if my life didn't depend on it and I wouldn't hear from every fucking corner how:

1) During 2010-2015 Indians/Eastern Europeans/Outsource agencies are going to replace me

2) During 2015-2022 Bootcampers/kids working for a bowl of rice/laid off journalists are going to replace me

3) 2024+ AI is going put me on the street

You seriously think living in a perpetual fear and constant arms race with Leetcode/System Design/other devs/AI is elitist? Fuck off.

[sudosteph]

How did you get any of that from the comment above? I thought the elitism they were referring to is the the assumption that other jobs don't also have equally deep impacts on a person's identity and way of being.

The part about existing outside of work - that's just reality though. A lot of coders are just doing it to support their families, and a lot of them aren't doing a side hustle or side projects when they're off the 9-5. That stuff gets normalized and glamorized in the highly-compensated-engineering-for-cool-tech-company scene, but there really are working coders who don't do any of that and get by fine all the same. They just tend to live in uncool cities and work in uncool industries.

[sandworm101]

Then quit doing it. I am legally not allowed to quit my job. I do not have that priviledge. If i dont go to work they will send police to make me. To say that software development is somehow special, more impactful on one's life and personality, than that is indeed very elitist.

[SiempreViernes]

I don't think you will get much sympathy by dismissing the anxiety of others, I doubt your job give you special neural receptors that make the cortisol hit different.

[undeveloper]

I'm still unsure why programming jobs haven't mostly been outsourced to India. Sure the contractors suck but people at IBM, India tend to write decent code for IBM, US.

[throwawaypath]

>but people at IBM, India tend to write decent code for IBM, US.

If you've ever used IBM software, you'd know this is nowhere near reality.

[dag100]

It's because the people at IBM, India get paid multiple times what the contractors get paid. IBM, India, thus hires much better programmers than contractors. This sort of outsourcing isn't nearly as cheap - maybe half the income of a programmer in the US.