[nostrebored]

this is bad. Anyone doing any cursory work with agents will realize how brittle <<just managing your own prompts>> can be. Adding an extra layer of indirection isn’t helpful, it’s a gigantic hindrance that gives you a moving eval target. Being an MCP developer means you have a moving target of model optimization. It is a win for nobody.

The tools we need to solve this problem exist and they are boring. Types, jsonschema, openapi, all of it is a better integration point than MCP.

[usrusr]

It keeps people employed, yes?

And with people I guess I might actually mean not people but tokens everybody has to spend on keeping their environment self-adapting...

[fnordpiglet]

For those of us who lived this wild arc from the advent of normative protocols widely adopted, standards, open source, and the variety of “paradigm shifts” over the last several decades it’s not surprising to see a profusion of attempts at standards with poor adherence across tooling, and fits and starts along the way. Those using the modern web, but not old enough to have built it, which has largely calmed down, probably look about them at the relative order of things and sigh in contentment then squint at the AI agent standards and huff at the confusion. Those few other gray heads who went through the various fits and starts look about at what’s going and recognize it quite clearly as “this is how things look at the beginning.”

We are really only a few years into all this stuff, and the real taking it very seriously has only been about 8 months. Web standards took 8 years to be barely usable. That was built on 30 years of internet standards that were barely usable.

Relax padwan and enjoy the ride.

[CharlieDigital]

That's because you're not thinking about how teams and enterprises work. You're thinking about how individuals work.

An enterprise has 20 services that each have a secret key (Datadog, Snowflake, etc). I want my team to have access to those services via coding agents. How do I guard those keys from both developer and agent? Put it behind MCP; neither dev nor agent ever sees the key. If developer leaves, revoke one OAuth cred.

I want to add access to internal and external services from one entry point without developers across hundred of teams having to sync or update their workspace. Put it behind one MCP interface.

I have enterprise skills and resources that I want to standardize and deliver to every team. But it has to vary in 10-15% of the skill body. Think same heuristics, but different specifics. MCP delivered prompts and resources can do that by dynamically templating them.

I want telemetry and data on how skills and tools are being used and I want to capture them using standard tooling like OTEL regardless of agent harness because I don't want to have to rebuild a solution on hooks if I charge vendors. MCP does that because I can capture all of the telemetry there.

    > jsonschema, openapi, all of it is a better integration point than MCP.

MCP is schema + interaction model. If MCP were built on OpenAPI, it would still need another layer to describe interaction. It is effectively JSON schema + interaction flow + standard surface area.

Your argument feels like asking why do we need OAuth and OIDC when we already have usernames and passwords. They solve different problems. A simple service can just use a secret key or username + password. But more complex enterprise scenarios need the structure and flow of OAuth, SAML, and SCIM.

[PaulHoule]

You’re not talking about how teams and enterprises work, you’re talking about how teams and enterprises don’t work.

Teams and enterprises had problems maintaining API keys long before there was MCP and they will have the same problems afterwards. The better teams and enterprises have had solutions for a long time.

[oliculipolicula]

I wish you would explain more of how you infered the handlers' KPIs here

From my point of view their purpose in life is 1) hacker news highlights or 2) to restrain some patients (me) from getting off the (Freudian) couch and mouthing off at "the folks in the waiting room"