[atonse]

I loved ember for years. Even attended EmberConf in portland around 2015. In fact, I'm just weeks away from retiring my last ember codebase that was in production and worked great for a decade (but I haven't updated in 5 years, since I was unable to keep up with all the changes). But after years of the community dying the most slow and boring of deaths, and having an absolute nightmare needing to hire Ember consultants, I really soured on it.

It is the main reason I completely stick to the boring mainstream (like react) now, so I'm never again stuck between "nobody knows Ember" and "this one consultant is charging $28k a month cuz I'm competing with LinkedIn, Netflix, and Apple" and then am stuck with them implementing engines for fun and then I don't have the time to undo it months later - all left me wanting to flee.

Basically, left it for non-technical reasons, just practical "literally nobody except billion dollar companies use this, I've painted myself into a corner" reasons.

But I do have fond memories of building things with it, personally.

[HatchedLake721]

We had the same issue hiring 8 years ago in the UK.

Since then I realized I’ll never require a react/vue/angular/ember/svelte/etc experience, just go for good JavaScript developers with frontend experience, framework doesn’t matter.

Took them a week or two to understand the Ember patterns that’s it.

I think we overcomplicate, all these frameworks are just slightly different ways how to build web apps, the core patterns are the same. Anyone experienced can pick any of these frameworks in matter of days or weeks.

Same on the backend, great if you’ve have experience with any of the express/hapi/koa/nest/fastify/hono, but if you don’t have experience with the one we use, it’s still fine. Hire good engineers, not good “framework” engineers.

[atonse]

You’re so right. I had the same experience early on finding elixir developers so I just thought, I don’t care anymore, I’m just going to try to hire smart people.

And so the 2-3 devs we had working on elixir learned on the job just fine.

But it’s sometimes also the flip, where some candidates don’t really want to learn a tech that isn’t attractive on a resume. But those are probably the wrong candidates anyway (only saying this with experience)

[sergiotapia]

Kudos for sticking it out. But man EmberJS is basically CakePHP at this point. A relic of days gone by. May as well use Marionette or Backbonejs.

[HatchedLake721]

Ember is not Backbone or Marionette, both of them are stagnant. Ember’s actively maintained and improved with 6 week release cycles and LTS versions.

Ember on frontend is what Rails is on backend: less fashionable, opinionated, mature, and still useful when you value long-term app consistency over ecosystem hype and new JS framework of the month.

[ffsm8]

> new JS framework of the month

I got news for you: that hasn't been the case in 10 yrs now. It's no longer 2010 in case you didn't notice.

Seriously, react, emberjs angular, vuejs etc - they're all essentially the same age at this point.

[nickv]

Isn't tanstack the new hotness now? Or is it Vite? Or is it htmx?

[atonse]

Or Astro? or Nuxt.js?

That's why I use NextJS... it seems to be the clear winner for React (at the moment at least).

Tanstack Start seems to be gaining steam.

At least many are in the react family though, so switching is less of a pain than Ember to React, for example. And especially so with agents now.

[ffsm8]

Htmx is a rebrand of intercoolerjs, which is just as old as react etc.

Tanstack is just an alternative layer ontop of react or solidjs. You're fundamentally still using them. It's just a diffent implementation for eg routing or state management.

So no, none of those could be considered fotm like the grand parent insinuated.

And that's ignoring how both tanstack and htmx are also over 5 yrs old, respectively. Even under these names.

[rohitpaulk]

Same here. Loved the LTS thinking and Ember data being built in but hiring was a pain and ecosystem packages were often out of date.

[ksec]

I wonder when will Discourse move to Ember 7.0?

And Apple is still using Ember? I seems to remember they moved off it some years ago.

[atonse]

I think Apple Music (the web version) runs on ember.

I thought the main LinkedIn website runs on ember? I can't tell anymore cuz so much of it is obfuscated.