[SirMaster]

It doesn't look like they are developing self-driving?

What other company is developing self-driving at a level of sophistication as Tesla that you can actually buy in a consumer vehicle?

[Spooky23]

The companies that have real boards would never take the risk.

Once Elon’s air cover is blown, the government is going the dissect Tesla. Once someone gets the injunction to stop deletion of crash data and allow for inspection, they are cooked.

[goalieca]

I don't think self-driving is remotely close to working at any scale. I also don't think it's the killer-app. Right now, cheap electrics and moreso cheap hybrids are the killer.

[GMoromisato]

I don’t know if you’ve tried Tesla FSD, but I use it almost every day. It is not perfect, but it is amazing.

Waymo, of course, is everywhere here in the Bay Area. The tech works at scale today.

[intended]

it works in the west. In specific areas and under specific conditions.

Driving data is cultural data.

This is one of the many blind spots from commenters, when they think about their own experience and generalize it to the larger global market.

[jmye]

It works "at scale" if you have no idea what "at scale" actually means and have never left the Bay Area or NYC. Or if you like, don't believe weather exists.

[SirMaster]

I ride in my friends Model Y Performance with HW 4.5 from time to time and it always gets us from point A to point B without any interventions that I have seen yet and this is in Wisconsin, and yes it was working well with some snow and ice conditions this past winter. It seems really impressive to me at least.

[GMoromisato]

Okay, but do you admit it (self-driving, either Tesla or Waymo) works in the Bay Area? Because the OP said self-driving is not remotely working "at any scale".

[4ndrewl]

I suppose, if you live in a jurisdiction/insurance regime where it's usable.

But people like buying new cars, new models, new designs. Not just features - those are just options.