[ktallett]

Flea markets in East Germany even now are fascinating for classic tech, classic tech books, and many other things. Even as simple as going to one at Mauerpark or the Karlshorst race track, you will see working examples of classic DDR tech that you can buy and explore. Just like people explore classic macs, it's as interesting to see.

[queenkjuul]

Sounds like a dream. Maybe I'll go someday. Eastern bloc tech is unendingly fascinating to me. I think it's genuinely impressive what they accomplished with the US actively sabotaging their access to information and hardware. And even then, they largely copied Western interfaces. I suspect this was partly to facilitate cloned hardware, but i do also suspect they wanted their systems to be approachable by engineers from around the world, too, so diverging too much would have been detrimental.

[ktallett]

I think you are spot on. Due to the inability to buy parts from the world over, you had to repair any personal machines you had whether it be computers to cars, therefore access and knowledge was essential. A replica of that ethos today would be MNT Research.

[keiferski]

You’ll also find a lot of this stuff at flea markets further east and south, maybe even more so than Berlin.

I visited Odessa in Ukraine circa 2019 and saw all kinds of interesting computing devices and cameras.

[flohofwoe]

> but i do also suspect they wanted their systems to be approachable by engineers from around the world

It was more about saving resources on software development. East German standard software was usually pirated copies of western standard software with the copyright strings patched to something else. Creating an entirely different evolutionary branch for hardware and software instead of copying doesn't make economic sense, especially when the goal is to catch up.

[xenadu02]

> with the US actively sabotaging their access to information and hardware

More like they didn't see the need and didn't invest in early computing and so lagged behind. Something the US very nearly almost did as post-war a lot of people didn't see the point. Software engineers (though they weren't called that) were seen as unimportant secretaries who just typed letters into the computer. Grace Hopper's Navy computing unit famously had to raid other offices at night for resources.

> I suspect this was partly to facilitate cloned hardware, but i do also suspect they wanted their systems to be approachable by engineers from around the world, too, so diverging too much would have been detrimental.

Computing advanced so quickly it showed the Soviet-style communist system for the lumbering boondoggle it was. By the time the central committee deigned to allocate resources for computing they were a generation behind and that only got worse. They stole western design and software because they didn't have the economic leeway to do it themselves.

You need to remember: by the 60s/70s the western economies were taking off in says Warsaw countries were never able to match. They simply did less and did it less efficiently across almost all sectors of the economy. No one had to cheat them or restrict them. They shot themselves in the foot repeatedly.

There were no startups. You had to petition the central government for permission to build more computers. They would assign you a quota. You built that many computers. In the mean time 12 new startups were founded in the US and two of them came up with new chip designs and shipped them to customers. Doesn't take a genius to understand why the soviet sphere was a compete non-entity in computing.

[celsius1414]

Getting William Gibson flashbacks.

[ErroneousBosh]

8 hour train journey, oh well, shut up and take my money...