[asdff]

>we can give people meaning, community, culture, growth, without relying on employment and money

I think people get hung up on "job bad" and forget what the job is actually doing, functionally.

We are animals, on earth, attempting to survive. We have evolved where we actually really suck at doing it alone, but we do really well if we delegate the various needs of survival. Now, how do we make it so if you chopped wood in the forest you get a piece of the fishermans take? You can do it in kind, although that would quickly become logistically complicated due to the size of the logs and fish catches. Instead, we use money out of sheer convenience and its amazing properties of being a store of labor both past, present, and future.

So give everyone no jobs. Who fishes? Who chops wood? Someone or some thing has to do it right? And it needs to be delegated in some way. We can't all go happy go lucky and rave all day and fuck all night and have dozens of kids. Resources on the earth are finite. Forests will be depleted, fisheries crushed. There needs to be some counter to what would otherwise be runaway hedonism and resource depletion.

[philipkglass]

Pregnancy and childbirth are physically taxing for women. Most people of reproductive age want sexual relationships. Many people want children. Very few women want to give birth to 12+ kids. Even the wives of billionaires don't have that many children, despite having more than enough material resources to support them. (Elon Musk's 12+ children required several women.)

[asdff]

Replace dozens of kids with any piece of wanton consumption then. How is it checked? Hoping we get bored of orgies and parties and feasting and this is enough to ensure we can reproduce indefinitely and continue to orgy and party and feast? I don't think so. At the end of the day, the world cannot sustain everyone living with the carbon footprint of a wealthy person living life to excess. It can't even sustain the carbon footprint of everyone living how they currently live.

[IncreasePosts]

Our bodies do that naturally. I can only eat 5 or 6 before I'm too full to continue

[asdff]

Yes, but what if you puked and then kept eating? Hunger games joked about it but its not too far off the nose. You can find wanton consumption everywhere to some degree. Not everyone has the willpower to tighten the belt for themselves. Most of the time its money that keeps them in check from going on benders or being stupidly consumptive in some way.

[hunterpayne]

The amount of projection in this post is truly staggering. You do realize there are parts of the Earth that aren't the Bay area right. Also, those feasts require a shockingly large staff you normally don't see to make them happen. Finally, most of your complaints aren't even true. The amount of farmland has shrunk over the last 100 years by a large amount. The amount of forests has expanded, by several times. The fisheries are the one thing you are actually right about and that's because a couple of countries (mostly in Asia) are speedrunning fishing. Seriously??? this is your take???

[asdff]

You danced around my argument without abrogating it at all. It is quite simple: what is the limiting factor when money is no longer a limiting factor?

[confidantlake]

I am not sure most do.