[zozbot234]

> Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class ... runs everything.

Plenty of people believe that, if perhaps only in a descriptive sense. Given the constraints of human social organization, it's just very difficult to not have a world where some kind of restricted social elite (that people may of course rotate in and out of, allowing for some kind of social mobility) is running things. Especially if we're even less comfortable with the main realistic alternative to social hierarchy, namely open markets.

Even self-proclaimed anarchists have long acknowledged that 'the tyranny of structurelessness' is a thing: trying to remove structure just makes it less readable and overt; it doesn't make it go away.

[tancop]

> Even self-proclaimed anarchists have long acknowledged that 'the tyranny of structurelessness' is a thing

structure and hierarchy are two very different things. you can have elected leaders who manage the day to day problems and a popular vote on all the important issues. of course its hard to implement in practice but it is possible. the reasons our society is elitist are economic inequality and different social connections but they only have real power when the people cant decide directly. if there was a federal ballot prop system america would look very different

[zozbot234]

A federal ballot prop system would be completely unworkable, which is why it was not made part of the Constitution. It would just increase opaque agenda-setting power compared to the present system, and the overall outcome would be even worse.

[defrost]

Upper class carries a heavy implication of nepotism with minimal social class mobility.

This is quite distinct from, say, a government of elected policy debaters submitting bills to a body of elected law passers that are part of a silo separate from the the silo's of military, civil enforcement, policy enactment (merit based civil service), etc.

The later is a hierarchy but not a class based one (assuming sufficient widespread education and social support).

[zozbot234]

Thing is, our existing governments also carry a heavy implication of nepotism with minimal social class mobility.

[defrost]

Our?

Oh, your ?

Our Government has a PM raised in a public housing estate# and we've mostly avoided political dynasties .. (few want to get caught again* ... )

# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese#Early_life

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Court