[bluefirebrand]

Why the employees? Do you think they were operating without direction from their managers?

If we want to put a stop to this sort of behavior from businesses we can't be punishing employees for this behavior, we have to run it up the chain.

[kibwen]

You are, in fact, allowed to hate both the player and the game. It is long established that "just following orders" is not a defense.

[bluefirebrand]

I'm not saying it should be, but I am saying we should prioritize the people giving the orders

[JumpCrisscross]

> we should prioritize the people giving the orders

We should. I don’t see an easy way to do that.

I do think there is a straightforward case to be brought against the bookers. So I’m saying start there and then idk have them co-operate against the company.

[olyjohn]

Nah fuck them both. They went in an left apartments in disarray and didn't give a fuck. That's just basic human decency, regardless of whether or not your boss is a prick too.

[SequoiaHope]

I don’t know if the concept of the Nuremberg defense is really applicable to, you know, basic property damage.

[maxbond]

I don't understand the alternative, that it would be legal to break the law as long as it were a petty crime and you were being paid to do it? It's a principle, it applies broadly. We tend to think about it in terms of the most dramatic and memorable example but that's neither here nor there.

[inetknght]

Really?

You might want to ask most contractors, or contract lawyers, about that.

"I was just following orders" for basic property damage typically doesn't hold up in court for them either.

[jojobas]

What, superior orders? Of course we need to punish both.