[andrewflnr]

> Still, I'm not saying the problems aren't real, ...

> I'm going to blame that on Amazon frankly. That's definitely bizarre.

I'll grant I lost track of the context that you were trying to raise the possibility of some grand encompassing solution to all programming language package management. All I wanted was to reinforce the idea that virtualenv is Often Just Fine in practice, at least if used in sensible ways.