[cwillu]

More like repeating their firmly entrenched preconceptions. Their claims may (or may not) be right, but there's very little if any new evidence being provided by either camp.

[WarmWash]

The real uncomfortable thing is that because we cannot confidently know, the moral defacto position is to treat them like they are.

[themafia]

I know you "feel" pain because I can poke you and observe the result. If I do it enough there is permanent damage.

Show this same phenomenon exists in LLMs.

[WarmWash]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

[jasondclinton]

We did exactly that and published it last month right here: https://www.anthropic.com/research/emotion-concepts-function

[throw310822]

They are confidently hallucinating a factual statement. Which is funny when claiming that confident hallucinations are the proof of LLMs' lack of intelligence.

[themafia]

One side is making a positive assertion. The other is making a negative assertion. One side can prove it's right. The other, logically, cannot.

One camp has to offer it's proof. If it has none then that _in and of itself_ is highly suggestive.

People have fully turned their minds off on this subject. It's disgusting.