[ninjagoo]

> AI is grown, not built, and like with anything you grow, you'll never be able to predict exactly how it will turn out.

Remember when the frontier labs found out that curated high-quality training was critical to making better models?

Basically, just like high-quality and more education tends to make better humans, on average, I think we can expect quality education to turn out better ai, on average, and with better repeatability than with humans because of better control over the initial conditions and environment.

[irishcoffee]

> Basically, just like high-quality and more education tends to make better humans, on average

Much like these models seem to be plateauing, I think there is a cap to the whole “more education makes better humans” and can’t be more apparent than in the US congress and the boatload of C-Suites not actually being very good humans.

What do I know though?

[ninjagoo]

> can’t be more apparent than in the US congress and the boatload of C-Suites not actually being very good humans.

Sadly, education does not correct psychopathic traits, which might be overrepresented in c-suites, and selected for in politicians.

It might be critical for humanity to identify and edit out these traits in ai, while we can.

[irishcoffee]

Seems to me the venn diagram of "congress and c-suites" vs "educated people" would have one circle wholly inside the other.

I know people without a college education that would give you the shirt off their back, and educated people that rewrite wills while their parents are on their deathbed.

What we call education today is a problem, and one need look no further than the massive amount of debt we saddle on kids. For what? So they can pay for privilege of being told what books to read, what topics to write about, and a rubber stamp? I didn't learn a _thing_ in college that I haven't learned better either at $dayjob, or from reading.

Most of my math profs. didn't speak english well, and none of the TAs did. Any math I've since forgotten from college was self-taught. Calc i/ii/iii, diffew, linear, stat.

College/education lost the plot. The sooner we admit it, the sooner we can fix it.

[ninjagoo]

  > Sadly, education does not correct psychopathic traits, which might be overrepresented in c-suites, and selected for in politicians.
  >> Seems to me the venn diagram of "congress and c-suites" vs "educated people" would have one circle wholly inside the other.

Both things can be true.

  > look no further than the massive amount of debt we saddle on kids.

See politicians and c-suites populated by psychopaths for the origins of this problem.

  > I didn't learn a _thing_ in college that I haven't learned better either at $dayjob, or from reading.

Putting it a bit bluntly, like any other activity, one gets out of it what one puts into it. I had a very different experience from yours, accents and language skills notwithstanding. But there is so much variation in a domain so broad in our country that is so big, it doesn't necessarily invalidate your experience.

  > College/education lost the plot. The sooner we admit it, the sooner we can fix it.

There is a long list/tradition of higher education through thousands of years of human history, with Harvard/MIT/Oxford being the pre-eminent ones today. [1][2]

What alternative do you propose? For humans, and AI?

  [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_higher-learning_institutions
  [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_universities_in_continuous_operation