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by martinald 23 days ago
How is it surprising to people that zip and XML are in stdlibs for a programming language?

Btw, you should have looked at dotnet for this as well. There is a very good library ( DocumentFormat.OpenXml) that can handle all docx/xlsx/pptx files. And dotnet can ship standalone binaries (though AOT probably won't work).
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pier25 23 days ago
Many runtimes/languages rely on third party deps for that. Also plenty of devs think the stdlib should be as lean as possible.

Personally, I think there should be a balance. The direct consequence of a barebones stdlib is NPM and having to download hundreds of dependencies for a hello world.

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wky 23 days ago
Golang has the golang.org/x packages, which avoids too much stdlib bloat while still providing the niceties of “pre-vetted” packages that don’t pull in a massive dependency tree.
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tanin 23 days ago
Yeah, I try to avoid 3rd party libraries unless it comes from credible sources/companies or vetted by famous frameworks e.g. Rails uses it.

Not just for NPM but for Intellij plugin, VSCode extension, and etc.

If Node has officially pre-vetted libraries, that would be really awesome.

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pier25 23 days ago
yeah I wish Node had something like that
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slopinthebag 23 days ago
It does! (well Deno does but you can use them in Node)

https://jsr.io/@std

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pier25 23 days ago
support is not uniform though

eg: https://jsr.io/@std/dotenv

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rjrjrjrj 23 days ago
Difficult to square the author's surprise with the later comment "I have my fair share of building a Java desktop application and know jpackage and alike very well"

You can't get very far in Java development without working with .jar files (which are zip archives).

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CharlieDigital 23 days ago
https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK

First party from Microsoft; feels like it would be the way to go.

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xnorswap 23 days ago
That is the source of DocumentFormat.OpenXml, you're talking about the same package, https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK#packages

Microsoft are incapable of:

    1. naming things well
    2. keeping those names stable
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