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by otherme123 19 days ago
Point 1: "The Russian Federation., the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine"

Point 4 of the Memorandum: "The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used."

US actions in the UN: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7435pnle0go "The US has twice sided with Russia in votes at the United Nations to mark the third anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, highlighting the Trump administration's change of stance on the war.

First, the US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York.

Then the US drafted and voted for a resolution at the UN Security Council which called for an end to the conflict, but contained no criticism of Russia."

The US has almost nothing to do (vote in the UN against Russia aggression), and yet did less than that. They can hide behind technicalities, but the truth is that Trump is acting like a Putin asset. For decades there has been a political fight in eastern Europe where the US projected power supporting governments that sympathized with western countries (enter NATO, enter UE, enter western markets, welcome western industries). US was winning the fight without shooting a bullet until Trump.

US has no official treaty with Israel (except the 10 year rolling aid), yet we would be shocked if suddenly an US government turn to support Israel neighbors and vote against them in the UN.

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Note, the US did seek UN security council action when Ukraine was invaded, back when Biden was president. Russia vetoed of course.
Are you a sophist? This thread is about how the US has lost all their political leverage, built for almost a century, since Trump got in power (no longer a trustable ally, losing contracts, etc).

You keep mixing up pre- and post-Trump events as if nothing happened, technicalities, "but you said X", and nobody that was trying to debate in good faith does that, only one interested in "winning" the argument but with zero interest in getting somewhere productive.

If something seems factually incorrect to me, I say so. If I notice a contradiction in someone's worldview, I point it out.

As I stated elsewhere in this thread, I'm an isolationist, and I don't care if the US loses leverage or whatever. If all US troops are booted from Europe so we can no longer "intervene" in the Middle East, that sounds fantastic. I favor a Swiss-style foreign policy for the USA.

From my perspective, it would actually be very good if Europe cut off the supply of AI chips to prevent AI companies from building an omnicidal doomsday machine:

https://pauseai.info/amsterdam-protest-2025-december