[calvinmorrison]

my dad grew up in a house without running water in a town where everyone worked in a mine and the lead was everywhere. he hitchiked to alaska for seasonal work in a fish cannery. Yeah I don't know... i think things are better than they were 40 years ago.

[Sl1mb0]

There are still people in America who live without running water. There are still people who work on fishing boats in Alaska. There are still people who hitchhike. This is literally just an anecdote trying to deflect from contemporary problems. I don't see any value in this sort of discourse.

Just because things may have been worse for specific individuals does *not* mean that current problems shouldn't be addressed.

[jmye]

> Just because things may have been worse for specific individuals does not mean that current problems shouldn't be addressed.

Suggesting that things are better now than they were in 1986 for the overwhelming majority of people is not, in any way whatsoever, suggesting that "problems shouldn't be addressed". Come on. Y'all have got to start actually reading things before smashing that reply button.

[calvinmorrison]

oh no an anecdote! run away!

[shimman]

You should, especially when said anecdote amounts to "shut the fuck up and be thankful to your corporate overlords peasant."

[lostlogin]

> i think things are better than they were 40 years ago.

In relative terms, they seem much worse, Americans standing isn’t what it was. In absolute terms, I don’t know. What’s the measure?

[jaggederest]

I like FSI, which is a dimensionless number taking into account basically the functioning of society and the likelihood for unrest. (Fragile State Index)

It's the highest, at the moment, that it's been since the 1800s. The nadir for the US was in the late 40s early 50s when we had a 92% top marginal tax rate and extremely high social cohesion despite massive WW2 debts. Needless to say the late 40s and early 50s was not exactly utopia, but substantially more stable.

[Wobbles42]

The measure was clearly stated: the life style of that one guy's dad. He's the official consumer well being canary.

[chrisweekly]

What is the relevance of "Americans standings" circa 1986?

[ux266478]

Things are better for you than your dad, presumably. Unfortunately, many Americans still live like that, so the conclusion doesn't hold water.