[throwaway27448]

> Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump?

We invaded Korea, and then Vietnam, and a few hundred other interventions that don't seem to be sanctioned by the international community. All because of a hardon for ideology that doesn't seem to actually reflect the interests of the people who live here.

[red-iron-pine]

> We invaded Korea

what a terrible bad faith arguemnt

N Korea invaded the south and the UN voted to create a joint force in there to defend it.

[stickfigure]

Not only is this true, there are about 50 million people in the south who are incredibly grateful for US involvement. And about 26 million people in the north who are, on average, several inches shorter than the southerners due to the end of US involvement.

[throwaway27448]

The people in the north aren't worked to death tho

[nephihaha]

Erm, yes they are. There are generational camps as well where people live because their parents and grandparents offended the Kim dynasty.

[throwaway27448]

What evidence of this is there? We have plenty of evidence of the working conditions of south korea, however.

[throwaway27448]

We forcibly inserted our forces onto a peninsula to support a state that exterminated hundreds of thousands of people that nominally opposed it. If you want to call this something other than invasion that's your choice. We can all judge what character your faith takes

[asdff]

Most of those were sanctioned by the international community. Look at the participants.

[throwaway27448]

We had the international community on a leash after WWII. This means nothing.

[asdff]

Leash or not, there was international support as a fact.

[throwaway27448]

Great. I'm happy you're willing to recognize our fucking empire for what it is

[asdff]

Oh I get downvoted all the time for telling people about the american vassal states on HN. People, especially those living in these vassal states, seem to take offense to hearing that reality.

[crote]

Former vassal states, thanks to Trump.