[madao]

Your twisting my words now, people pay for headlines with advertising and what not, we are talking about music or perhaps even movies, these people produce and create these forms of entertainment expressly for money, not for your enjoyment or for your friends enjoyment, them make it and package it.

Then someone comes downs rightfully buys it and enjoys the fruits of others labours.

What is not right is to reward artists by telling them that their hard work is just information free to be handed out to everyone, seriously call it what you want, you are stealing from these people. They don’t want you to give it to your friends or random people off the internet, they want you to pay for it.

If you really don’t like it, go and create your content and release it under creative commons and stop watching and listening to commercial movies/radio.

[wazoox]

> these people produce and create these forms of entertainment expressly for money

Just to make it clear: I've been a professional musician, a composer an arranger, and I've played with Touré Kunda and recorded with Deep Forest. I've also been a graphic artist and built the official TV CGs effects for World Cup 1998. I pretend to know quite a bit about why people (including myself) create music or art, and I can affirm you that even the worst commercial, tasteless eurodance artist doesn't do it for the money first. They want to perform their art first, then seek a way to get money while doing it.

Selling your art can take numerous forms. For musicians, most of the time the better part of their revenue comes from concerts and not recorded music (usually at best they get a few percents of a CD price anyway).

> you are stealing from these people.

I've only extremely rarely downloaded any media from the net, and only things unavailable by other ways. I'm standing on principles and not looking for excuses.

> If you really don’t like it, go and create your content and release it under creative commons and stop watching and listening to commercial movies/radio.

Amusingly enough, that's exactly what I'm doing.

[Gormo]

> these people produce and create these forms of entertainment expressly for money

So? Disney produced "John Carter" expressly for money. Microsoft designed the Zune expressly for money. MySpace built their social networking platform expressly for money. Were their rights violated because these products were failures?

No one is guaranteed a positive return on their speculative ventures. People aren't entitled to be rewarded solely for effort, and they don't have the right to attempt to re-engineer other people's affairs in order to secure a higher payoff on their activities.