[btown]

Never underestimate the power of a zero-network-hop abstraction over f(feature_name, context).

And context can be extremely tailored to your niche: specific inventory, from a specific supplier, for a specific user of a specific B2B client of a specific business model subtype, who should or shouldn’t see certain features on that specific inventory at certain times.

When you can write your own logic, and just run this in a tight loop as easily and performantly as you can use a constant, it makes your business incredibly agile. Think some text might change for some customers? Just write the code to make it configurable, and you get tests and flags for free.

Sadly, that zero-hop setup requires a sophisticated client execution engine, which it doesn’t appear Cloudflare has implemented here. Makes sense for their memory constrained workers, less sense for traditional infrastructure.

Statsig has an approach here that I quite like:

> To be able to do this, Server SDKs hold the entire ruleset of your project in memory - a representation of each gate or experiment in JSON. On client SDKs, we evaluate all of the gates/experiments when you call initialize - on our servers.

https://docs.statsig.com/sdks/how-evaluation-works

You can also roll your own - just sync your rulesets to a few data structures every few seconds in a background thread and atomically swap the reference to them. Then you just need a CRUD interface over the applicability ruleset dimensions.

Just be careful to have governance on who can play with which would-be constants. Great power and great responsibility and all that!

[la_fayette]

When reading your comment, it just reminds me on how feature flags can be misused as application configuration/customization. An antipattern i could observe at various organzations already.

For me feature flags go along with trunk based development to enable features in QA settings, but not on PROD yet, for PO/PM testing. Trunk based development allows for fast/easy devops, without complicated branching strategies.

Application configuration is, for me, part of the application and has the business context for customizing the application accordingly. Not sure if there are specific frameworks/tools out there. But one should clearly distinguish these two.

[baq]

> it just reminds me on how feature flags can be misused as application configuration/customization. An antipattern i could observe at various organzations already.

feature flags are perfect for configuration and customization, why using them for this purpose is 'misuse' is beyond me and I've heard this claim from multiple people. they're literally configuration. feature with a flag to turn it on, off or give the flag a value. where's the misuse? is it a problem I'm not running experiments when switching over redis to valkey or whatever?

[ZephyrBlu]

Feature flags need to be treated as short-lived and experimental otherwise they end up getting abused for everything and make it very difficult to reason about your application.

If it's config/customization, it should be in code. If it's experimental it can be a flag until it solidifies, and then it needs to get moved to code.

When I was at Shopify a couple of years ago they mandated that feature flags had to be short-lived (Like 2-4w lifetime tops, some had exceptions) because they would end up getting left in code and never cleaned up, or for extended periods of time like months. Hard to tell if it's genuinely a "feature flag" or actually just a normal part of the system at that point.

Feature flags being flipped in prod was also a major source of incidents, in part because people didn't treat them as experimental and with the associated risk profile of something experimental.

The only exception where having long-lived flags was useful and required was for operational killswitches (E.g. disable Apple Pay because it's having issues), but that is explicitly not application config.

[WhitneyLand]

Agreed.

This is the kind of design wisdom that’s both true and difficult to win an argument over.

It reminds me of arguments related to over-engineering and complexity. The principles are super important to having a codebase that scales and continues to be efficient to work in as the team grows, but they are hard to objectively measure.

Locally or in isolation something may sound like a great idea. Being able to step back and see the greater ripple effects require some experience and intuition that can’t always be used to convince people otherwise.

[baq]

I disagree with just about everything you said being a problem except the process of cleaning up is absolutely required.

Notably feature flags triggering incidents is expected and desired vs the alternative of shipping the code and having to roll a release back because there is no other way to remove the feature from prod.

[ZephyrBlu]

In a company the size of Shopify people flipping their feature flags would very often impact *other teams*, and like I said feature flags got abused with even seemingly innocuous changes being put behind them or being left long periods of time before being fully used.

When someone else flips a flag that impacts your team and they have no idea they even caused a problem, it becomes very difficult to resolve the issue. Usually you can check for recent deploys, instead you have to go and guess at which feature flag which was recently flipped could possibly be affecting your code. I experienced this several times.

Also, it was actually more desirable for most of these things to go straight to production. Test it properly before shipping, then when you ship it soaks on a 5% traffic canary at which point you can monitor and cancel the deploy if you see errors. That is generally safer than a feature flag rollout unless you are doing something very high impact/risk, in large part because it gives any other team affected by your rollout the ability to respond and be able to easily find the source of errors.

In my org it was a fairly common failure mode to ship something and accidentally cause an issue for another team. Usually it was other teams/orgs shipping things that impacted us.

[echelon]

Runtime evaluated feature flags can always be used for control plane levers and emergency handbrakes.

You just have to label them as such and prevent other teams from fiddling with them.

This is not an antipattern, it's just semantic hand-wringing.

My team managed critical systems in the online flow of billions of dollars of daily payment volume. We also wrote the feature flag system that the rest of the company used. Not only were we completely fine with feature flags as long-lived control plane levers, we heavily used the system that way ourselves.

You just have to clearly distinguish between ephemeral rollout flags (and clean them up or expire them) and the permanent control plane levers.

It's the exact same functionality for both sets of tools. Just different practices around the two usages.

[ZephyrBlu]

I completely agree with your distinction and that is exactly what they mandated :)

I don't think that is what most people colloquially mean by "feature flags" though. Even most teams in Shopify abused "ephemeral" flags for long periods of time.

When they rolled out the mandate it was very annoying for my team because we had a lot of operational flags like you're describing that we needed to get exemptions for.

[jeremyjh]

One well known issue is that when you have a lot of separate feature flags that can interact, you explode the number of test cases you have to cover. For example if you have three feature flags that can interact in a module that has 100 test cases, you actually have 900 test cases if you are going to test with each possible combination of flags. Many teams don't test them all because they "already know" that doesn't apply here, and find out in production which combination of feature flags is unworkable.

[akoboldfrying]

But you have this same issue if you store those 3 bits of state as "app config" instead of as "feature flags".

I think it's useful to distinguish between kinds of feature flags -- "traditional" feature flags for safe rollout of new features (these should be removed on a strict timeline, to preserve maintainability) vs. "config"-type flags that are designed to remain indefinitely and optionally be configurable by certain end users. But I don't yet see a reason why the actual mechanism for these two things (namely, a function with a descriptive name that can be called to quickly return a small datum that is periodically refreshed from somewhere in the background) can't be the same.

[jeremyjh]

Yes people are speaking past each other to some extent here; but if we're going to talk about "Feature Flags" we aren't talking about using a flag service for "normal" configuration - whatever that means. But what, exactly - does that mean? I normally consider things like the following configuration:

API Host Names, client Ids, secrets, Database connection strings Other runtime settings like pool sizes, replica counts etc

Most of those things are secrets, or they are specific scalar values closely tied to the application runtime, that often need to be known at startup. Are people putting those in a "feature flag" service? If not, what is a good example?

My comment only applies to "configuration" that alters behavior, usually in binary off/on manner. Which is what I'd call a "Feature Flag".

[chambers]

Yes, feature flags are conflated with remote configs (or its more useful variety: "dynamic configs"). The difference is subtle, hence why people are talking past each other.

Feature flags are gates for whether a piece of code runs; basically, an if-condition. Remote configs are a mechanism for changing runtime values without redeploying[1].

For example:

  # Feature flag — variant gate for rollout
  flag = sdk.check_gate(user, "checkout_flow")
  if flag == 'open':
      render_new_checkout()
  elif flag == 'warning':
      render_warning_checkout()
  else:
      render_old_checkout()

  # Raw remote config pulled — structured values for tuning behavior
  config = sdk.get_config(user, "checkout_settings") # if the config changes based on user or context, this "remote" config is considered "dynamic"
  timeout_ms   = config.get("timeout_ms", 5000)
  max_items    = config.get("max_items", 50)
  allowed_tlds = config.get("allowed_tlds", [".com", ".org"])

In practice, feature flags are implemented on top of dynamic configs[2] to manage the temporary lifecycle of a feature — aka, ship a new block of code, ramp its execution up to 100%, then delete the flag. Whereas dynamic configs are a deeper primitive meant for semi-permanent/safer operations like tuning rate limits or changing text copy on a marketing website.

As I've seen it: the forcing function that separates the concepts are experimentation platforms: when human-control of feature flags is shared (via dynamic configs) with automated & randomized assignments. That's how Statsig built their system and, in part, why they could sell for a billion. Whereas companies that ignored the difference, like LaunchDarkly, struggled outside of feature flags.

[1] https://engineering.atspotify.com/2020/10/spotifys-new-exper...

[2] https://docs.statsig.com/dynamic-config/overview https://blog.x.com/engineering/en_us/topics/infrastructure/2...

[tailscaler2026]

I think feature flags, remote configs, and experiments are all the same thing. Semantically they differ in how you're applying the config and interpreting the outcomes.

[epolanski]

> it just reminds me on how feature flags can be misused as application configuration/customization

They literally are configuration.

[tedk-42]

Oh yeah lets make a web request per service invocation to figure out what to serve for the invocation!

Guys this is exactly the kind of banal crap that makes a simple app into a monsterous beast that won't work unless it's connected to the internet.

[epolanski]

There's no web request per service invocation.

Feature flags are set once at startup (or specific events like hard refresh, or new login) and then simply included in the request headers.

It's not rocket science, but I'm sure people are free to overcomplicate it.

[tedk-42]

That's not a feature flagging service then (config as a service! not a thing really...)

I've done both client and server side implementations of the launch darkly sdk and that's how it's done to know client context.

If you're initialising the entire SDK only to load 1 set of configuration items, I'd argue you can host the config as a json file on a CDN and be done with it - feature flagging is overkill.

[epolanski]

Then I'm lost at what the difference would be and why do you need a dedicated service.

Pardon my ignorance.

[julik]

Which is not hard to do (it is a modulo over a mersenne twister or something similar), but in my recent gigs just Flipper with optional "state of the flags table as of now" endpoint was more than enough. That modulo+random combo required tools like LaunchDarkly to ship SDKs in several languages, and the ones I had to work with were just plain horrible fit for their language of choice. But because the evaluation was relegated to the edge, the whole system got way more complex than desirable. In actuality, I think a refetch of the current flags table "for this customer" every so often is just fine, and way less of a nuisance.

So glad Flipper exists and I don't have to deal with this stuff anymore.

[bobthepanda]

which Flipper is this?

[julik]

https://github.com/flippercloud/flipper

[hobofan]

> Sadly, that zero-hop setup requires a sophisticated client execution engine, which it doesn’t appear Cloudflare has implemented here.

It doesn't have to be sophisticated and they don't need to implement it themselves. They piggy-back on OpenFeature where the client libraries have a simple targeting rule evaluation engine integrated.

[chrisweekly]

Good advice. I'll add a protip / reminder that feature flags, AB tests, and entitlements are three distinct concepts. This blog post (no affiliation) has framing I found helpful:

https://www.stigg.io/blog-posts/entitlements-untangled-the-m...

[BatteryMountain]

Amazing resource, thanks!

[cornholio]

But why would you wrap some proprietary solution around your neck instead of rolling your own custom solution or extending some open source?

The answer for most things pertaining to encloudification seems to be "because it's easy and we are already using cloud provider X". Death by a thousand clickops.

[ZeWaka]

Statsig has worked great at my work, really polished and rich feature set. Their tooling to identify unused flags as candidates for removal is neat.

The per-seat billing we have in our agreement is a bit rough but it's workable.

[pil0u]

Statsig is a half-baked product bought out by OpenAI for data harvesting. We already reported 2 documentation issues and 1 critical technical issue, and we're barely using it.

[iancarroll]

Well, OpenAI already sold it (but kept the team), so it’s in someone else’s hands now.

[rustystump]

Could you be more specific?

[swyx]

> Sadly, that zero-hop setup requires a sophisticated client execution engine, which it doesn’t appear Cloudflare has implemented here. Makes sense for their memory constrained workers, less sense for traditional infrastructure.

wait what? what kind of logic do you need to do that CF Workers can't do?