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by hutao 26 days ago
> Propagating errors up the stack is not the same, because the top-level function is not developing an error return because of the 10-level-nested function. It is developing one because the function it called has one, and apparently, it needs to return it to its local caller. It's a local consideration ...

> By contrast, in a function coloring situation, if the color is wrong 10 layers down, you must change the calling function. It's a non-local consideration. You don't get to decide not to change it. You can't encapsulate it. You don't get a choice. It pollutes the entire stack, forcibly.

I think this is an interesting perspective, where I would raise a counterpoint. Both result types and async/await are instances of monads (the abstraction which approximates the article's idea of a function color, since you mentioned Haskell, I assume you know this). Just as you can "eliminate" the result type by explicitly handling the success and error cases, you could, theoretically, "eliminate" the async function by blocking on it. Doing so would treat the entire async subprogram, at the top-level function boundary, as synchronous IO, while the async subprogram would still benefit from concurrency internal to the function.

Compare Example #1:

    int topLevel() {
      return match fallibleSubprogram() {
        Ok(()) => 0,
        Err(_) => 255,
      };
    }

    Result<(), Err> fallibleSubprogram() {
      let x = f()?;
      let y = g()?;
      return h(x, y);
    }
Compare Example #2:

    int topLevel() {
      block_on(asyncSubprogram);
      return 0;
    }

    async void asyncSubprogram() {
      let promiseX = f();
      let promiseY = g();
      let [x, y] = await Promise.all([promiseX, promiseY]);
      return await h(x, y);
    }
In the above pseudo-code, you have the same program "structure," but the first uses results and the second uses promises. In the latter example, asyncSubprogram() gets called as if it were synchronous, but you still benefit from asynchronicity because f() and g() can execute concurrently within its body.

The main difference is that compared to pattern matching on Result types, programming languages typically make it unidiomatic to block on a promise. There are various reasons why this is the case, but my point is that Result types and async/await are more similar than they may initially appear.

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"Just as you can "eliminate" the result type by explicitly handling the success and error cases, you could, theoretically, "eliminate" the async function by blocking on it"

You really can't. Shutting down the async loop doesn't just do damage to the performance of the program, it can actually affect correctness. It doesn't fix the color problem. That's why I said 'Although I will say that if your "encapsulation" is basically to run it in a non-concurrent environment, that's really not encapsulation. It isn't really "encapsulation" if you're giving up an entire major feature of the language, because that is something very visible to the rest of the program.'

Monads actually aren't really relevant, either. A monad can express something you can't escape from, but it isn't required; "Option" isn't a color because you can still deconstruct it any time you like. It's specifically IO, which traps you not because it is a "monad" but because it has no escape hatches at all. (Modulo "unsafe", which is always something we have to say, but we also always tend to ignore unsafe in these discussions because otherwise everything collapses to one big unsafe pile in all languages of note.)