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by runako 18 days ago
DropBox has been retiring shares fairly consistently. This is generally used as an alternative to dividends, and is done primarily for tax efficiency.
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It's done to increase EPS per share and return cash to ongoing shareholders in a more tax friendly way, yes.
People say this, but the cash is returned only if you sell. A dividend is cash in pocket plus the stock.
The dividend is taxable ordinary income. The increased share value is not taxable until sold, and then it’s capital gains; usually a much lower rate.
In most cases dividends are taxed at the capital gains rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_dividend

Good correction, thanks. For completeness, that’s dividends on stocks, but not dividends on bonds, which are treated like interest.

In any case, dividends are taxable in the current year, and unrealized stock gains are not.

In case the difference doesn’t seem like a big deal, consider that if you die without selling the stocks, your heirs inherit them at the prevailing price, and no one ever pays tax on the gain they made between when you bought them and when you died.

Rich people who need neither dividend cash or stock sales to pay living expenses prefer not to get dividends so they can pay very little tax.

This enormous loophole for the rich brought to you by your US representatives.

Correct. That's part of the tax efficiency, the whole point for some investors.

Even if you set your dividends to automatically reinvest via a DRIP program, you still pay taxes on dividends in the year in which they are issued. This reduces the effect of compounding.

> plus the stock

The key point in a buyback is that each share of stock becomes worth more because the company is divided into fewer units. So each share is worth more than it would be had the case instead been used to pay dividends.

Where do those shares then go? Are they just gone forever?

Or do they then turnaround and give them to employees?

If its gone forever, then… why? They just bought something and burnt it? Isnt that like a waste of resources?

The stock market, still to this day is a very very strange thing…

The company is owned by the shareholders. When shares are ‘burnt’ the remainder of the shares become more valuable.

It’s easy to see if you imagine there are only three shares and one of them is torn up. The other two now own the entire company.

It’s a way of giving money to shareholders without the value being realized in the sense of being immediately taxable.

Let's say we own a company with 10 shares, I own one share, you own 4, and 5 are owned by others. Each share is worth $100 (to make it simple).

The company has $100 "to spare" - they could pay a dividend (give me $10, you $40, $50 for "the others") - but they'd be taxed on the income they made to be able to pay this, and you and I would be taxed receiving the dividend. We'd net out maybe $8, maybe $7 per share.

Or they could buy my share for $100, and retire it. I get the $100 (and pay capital gains tax unless it was in an IRA or otherwise not an issue). You now own 4 shares of a 9 share company, which is worth the same, but your percentage is a big bigger now.

Getting rid of the double taxation of dividends would likely slow down or end most buybacks; the main advantage is that they let the shareholders decide if/when they take the tax hit.

> If it’s gone forever, then… why? They just bought something and burnt it? Isnt that like a waste of resources?

You might have an easier time with some numbers.

A corporation called Hluska trades at a market cap of $100. Hluska has issued 100 shares. Now, let’s say that Hluska burns ten shares and the market cap stays the same. Now it trades at a market cap of $100 but it has 90 shares outstanding.

Stock holders will only lose stock if they sell stock. In that case, they will be taxed at a capital gains rate which is generally lower than the tax rate on income from dividends. So it’s a way to return capital to shareholders who want out in a tax effective way.

If it doesn’t work, it’s a waste of resources. Let’s go back to our example, that idiot Hluska was trading at $100 with 100 shares outstanding, burned 10 and now trades at a market cap of $80. In that case, yeah, it’s a waste of resources because each individual stock is worth less money post burn. But that doesn’t really happen very often. A better capitalized company than Hluska with its soaring $100 market cap should be able to withstand a burn event without crushing market cap by 20%.

If you look at all the tech companies doing buybacks, usually the shares created for employee RSUs matches or exceeds the shares retired from buybacks.

Not in all cases, but many

Which is why GAAP earnings matter and not free cash flow