[ern_ave]

> "offshore Indian devs" are no slouches.

What evidence is there of the quality of Indian devs specifically?

One signal I'd expect to see, for example, would be success in programming competitions. Here's the list of winners of the IOI competition [1] - India has won 3 times.

Meanwhile, Turkey has won 4 times, Estonia has won 5 times, and Vietnam has won 22 times!

Why should we suspect that there are more or better developers in Indian than in any of the countries that has produced more winners??

[1] https://stats.ioinformatics.org/countries/?sort=medals_desc

[blauditore]

Programming competitions are not the same as real-world engineering, plus these countries have way more people trying to use these competitions as a gateway to good jobs. Also, many good engineers emigrate to higher-income countries given the chance, and almost none will imigrate to low-income regions. The consequence is some sort of brain drain.

[ern_ave]

> Programming competitions are not the same as real-world engineering

That's true but irrelevant. Nothing is "the same" as anything else. My question was, what evidence is there that offshore Indian devs are of high quality. One expected signal with be ...that they demonstrate their programming skill.

> these countries have way more people trying to use these competitions as a gateway to good jobs

That's ridiculous!! You're claiming that Turkey, with a population of under a million, has "more people trying to use these competitions" than India, with a population in the billions????

> many good engineers emigrate to higher-income countries

Okay, but the claim was, "offshore Indian devs are good" - that cohort (i.e. the ones INSIDE INDIA) excludes the cohort you're talking about (emigrate to higher-income contries).

So, unless your point is, "yes, I agree with you, there is no evidence that offshore (still in India) devs are of high quality, and the reason is that the good ones emigrated" I think this statement is irrelevant.

[esafak]

Turkey's population is around ninety million.

[ern_ave]

Sorry. I meant to write, "population under a hundred million"