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by nailer 24 days ago
> it really isn't that hard to get right.

Yes you just need every website to use it, rather than fixing the client. Which is the 'boil the ocean' strategy mentioned in the comment you're replying to.

> ARIA can help when devs want to use the wrong elements for some reason or for custom controls.

But it can't. See this article.
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rhdunn 23 days ago
See https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/patterns/ for a guide on how to create accessible markup for custom controls and the associated examples.

See specifically https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/practices/names-and-descript... for details on naming. That has extensive notes and details for labeling elements correctly.

See https://getbootstrap.com/docs/5.0/components/ for bootstrap markup on creating accessible components.

There are plenty of other resources.

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nailer 23 days ago
I didn't ask for resources on ARIA, are you replying to another comment?
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rhdunn 23 days ago
You said "see this article" re: how aria-label is not applicable to div elements, hence the second link which is the WAI-ARIA guide on labelling elements.

You also said that ARIA can't help with custom controls in that post, which is where the other links are applicable as they describe doing just that. I.e. using ARIA tags to implement tabs, accordions, etc. either with or without a framework library.

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nailer 23 days ago
> You also said that ARIA can't help with custom controls in that post

I didn't write the post. The author believes in ARIA, I believe ARIA is fundamentally broken.

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rhdunn 23 days ago
post != article

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48281764:

> > ARIA can help when devs want to use the wrong elements for some reason or for custom controls.

> But it can't. See this article.

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nailer 23 days ago
People post both articles and comments to HN. My comment pointed out that ARIA can't help with anything as ARIA is a boil the ocean approach.
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RobMurray 23 days ago
I did read the article. Why do you need to label a div? It's just a container, not a semantic element. If you really want to use a div for something semantic you can set role and aria-label. That is done all the time and works with screen readers.
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