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by tptacek 23 days ago
Which tool specifically are you thinking of that might have found this but wasn't run because of it's very high licensing fees? I work in this field, I'll be familiar with it.
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Black Duck products

https://www.blackduck.com/fuzz-testing.html

OpenText products

https://www.opentext.com/products/dynamic-application-securi...

I won’t say how much they are here but they are very expensive.

Just to be clear: your claim is that the Black Duck fuzzer would have enabled the rapid discovery of kernel vulnerabilities in macOS?
Question was about high licensing fees and which tools I was referring to

I’m not claiming Defensics or OpenText DAST tools are magical “find all kernel vulns” buttons

My point is more that mature fuzzing ecosystems already existed before the recent AI-driven approaches. Protocol fuzzers, syscall fuzzers, coverage-guided fuzzers, sanitizers, dynamic analysis, etc. have all historically found serious kernel bugs

We might just be talking past each other. My question, from upthread, is this: the heyday of AFL was over a decade ago. Every major platform company fuzzes at a scale that I think is difficult for lay practitioners to get their heads around. They contract, quarterly, soup-to-nuts assessments from competing software security companies, who get full source access and are measured against each other by the quality of their findings. They run bounty programs specifically to direct public researcher attention to these exact findings.

Why didn't "mature fuzzing ecosystems" find the vulnerabilities AI is now finding? It's a pretty big gap in the "fuzzing tools already do this" logic!

> Why didn't "mature fuzzing ecosystems" find the vulnerabilities AI is now finding? It's a pretty big gap in the "fuzzing tools already do this" logic!

Because they simply aren’t ran. That’s my entire argument

You're wrong about that.