[convenwis]

I think that this just emphasizes how much Ive needed Jobs as a constraint. The early stuff they did together was genuinely good and changed the industry for the better. But his later work after Jobs got sick seemed significantly worse. Definitely a relationship that needed both sides.

[zemvpferreira]

Couldn't agree more. Jobs' advice to say no to a hundred things sounds easy in a vacuum, but to actually go against the powerful people around you and gatekeep the quality and essence of your business over decades is incredibly hard, foolish and brave.

[bombcar]

Jobs ability to say no to someone like Ive and not have him quit in a huff was 90% of his power, imo. It's a difficult line to hoe.