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> There also seems to be an odd standoff between Apple and the streaming apps, eg no native YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, etc

Apple made the bed when they openly were hostile to the developers. There's a reason why every platform courts the developers (Remember MS's "developers developers developers").

Apple could get away from being a jerk because the devices were attractive, and the distribution it offered was stellar. But it isnt the device that makes the platform successful, but the developers. And YouTube, Netflix, Spotify and the likes know this.

So when AVP came along, for the first time, the power dynamics shifted. They didnt have to rush to the platform. Why should all these companies bend over backwards to make Apple's device a successful. And if they do the work, they'll be even more beholden to Apple's whims.

So they decided to sit out. And cue the fall out.

AVP hardwar is brilliant, but Apple overplayed its hand.

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There’s a native YouTube app. And I don’t find myself missing the others. But besides the background noise from YouTube and Apple Music/Podcasts I don’t really consume media in mine. It’s a work tool.

[ShinyLeftPad]

>> There also seems to be an odd standoff between Apple and the streaming apps, eg no native YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, etc.

> Apple made the bed when they openly were hostile to the developers. There's a reason why every platform courts the developers (Remember MS's "developers developers developers").

This is about relationships between different big corporations who are all platform owners and competitors. Apple was never hostile to regular developers. Apple got from the beginning that app ecosystem and therefore devs is a must.

And in any case, AVP can't compete with iPhone, no one expected it at that price, and so developing apps for AVP would be a waste of time.

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I don't think that's the case at least with video streaming. For example, Netflix refusing to integrate with the Apple TV app on any platform because they don't want to compete with other services (because they don't have the content to compete anymore).

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> So they decided to sit out. And cue the fall out.

What's the play ? They may get new customers by making an app for the apple pro, they get nothing if they don't.

I don't the economic interest in waiting.

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Software development is expensive. Like eye-wateringly expensive. A team of developers, product, designers, testers on a new app costs a big amount of money so its a gamble each time.

Without a large audience, spending money on porting to AVP is either money down the drain or a bet on a large audience coming along soon.