[kristiandupont]

It reminds me about this video where John Cleese talks about creativity. One of his points is that his work was better than some of his more talented peers simply because he set aside more time to let ideas mature:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb5oIIPO62g

[Nevermark]

Jumping spiders are extremely intelligent for their size. Something they do when they encounter a complex problem is sit and apparently simulate potential solutions until they settle on a plan.

Their solutions can involve indirect routes, paths that initially increase the distance to their targets, etc.

Walking, or jumping, is inherent to their existence. But the ability to wait and iterate on possibilities is uncommon strategy for tiny things.

[F3nd0]

> Something they do when they encounter a complex problem is sit and apparently simulate potential solutions until they settle on a plan.

Now imagine what ingenious plans they could come up with if only they took a walk instead of sitting while thinking!

[lobocinza]

Have you read this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Time_(novel)

[QuercusMax]

Would be fun to see if they could learn to think with Portals

[Nevermark]

We might found out that not having our assumptions about topology gives them an advantage on us!

They might be well adapted to twisty little passages too.

[QuercusMax]

maybe someday we can put spiders in a VR harness, like we can do with mice now...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41592-024-02554-6 "Moculus"

[Nevermark]

I think a better way to go is have a little palace/dollhouse they live in, made of tiles with circular pocket-doors for portal creation, and where adjacent rooms can be moved around quickly, to create portal-like wormhole effects.

Perhaps with a few levels of large computer controlled, air-flow/transport surfaces.

Then we breed them for size and superintelligence.

[echoangle]

How did we find that out? Are they physically acting out the stuff they’re simulating or is there an EEG for insects?

[lexh]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334693268_Portia's_...

[echelon]

It's our evolutionary background.

Land animals first evolved intelligence when we emerged from the cloudy, murky sea and developed the ability to see shapes (predators, prey) really far into the distance. This required the ability to understand the future and perform spatial reasoning. Not all aquatic species were exposed to such pressures (opportunities), since line of sight vision (especially traveling at speed) is limited.

We got really smart when we became endurance hunters and out-walked and out-ran our prey. Bipedal locomotion and sweating were clutch advantages for sure, but our brains became especially attuned to multi-tasking when walking and running. We could see our prey far into the distance and could plan hours in advance for how to exhaust and corner it. Especially as a group activity. This engaged spatial, temporal, collaborative, and complex reasoning.

We didn't evolve to think at a desk. We evolved to think because it greatly enhanced our hunting skills and survival fitness.

When you walk or run, you're directly engaging machinery that was fine tuned over hundreds of thousands of years.

[bitmasher9]

I’m always very cautious of “evolution” as a justification for any health/wellness advice. I’d like to preface this point by saying I am a fan of daily walk, and do about 30mins of very hilly terrain daily. I just don’t like your argument for it.

1. It’s really easy to create a fictional narrative of what our ancestor’s activity was 50k years ago because of the lack of empirical evidence. The truth is we know only a little and guess at a lot.

2. It’s been associated with many false claims. So many fad diets, fad supplements, and fad exercise routines have made use of evolution to build a narrative of why it’s healthy. I’ve seen both carnivore and vegans use evolution to explain why their diet is correct.

3. The modern environment is just different than the pre-historical environment. We have clean drinking water, unlimited sodium, modern medicine, air conditioned and heated shelter. To me the real question is what is the healthiest decision for me, not what is the healthiest decision for someone 50k years ago.

[kjkjadksj]

Whatever it is, clearly sitting 8+ hours in a chair is no healthy way to live. You don’t have to ask what our ancestors did. You can see it in our bodies. What does a healthy body take? Something on the order of 3-4 days a week of intense exercise. Seeing past 20 feet from time to time to avoid eye strain. Getting sufficient sleep. Time to relax to let stress blow off. Simple, obvious truths, but few of us actually live them with the pressures of modern society.

[bitmasher9]

I’m more triggered by someone using a weak argument that is in support of something I also support. The amount of direct empirical evidence for the health benefits of walking is so huge that we shouldn’t relay on the evolutionary argument, which is often associated with scams and pseudo-science.

Furthermore I’m saying that even if there was a very solid evolutionary argument for a specific human health behavior, it would answer the question “what helped humans 50k years ago reproduce”, instead of “how can I live a healthy life in the 21st century.”

[kjkjadksj]

The question you pose is of most relevance. 50k years ago matters when we are still the animals of 50k years ago forced to fit into this modern society. What are we? What are our adaptions? What are the requirements to make us fit? Same questions with the same answers today and 50k years ago. Culture evolved a whole lot faster than our bodies have. What does modern culture select for? A question to ponder.

[iammjm]

There are highly intelligent species such as whales and dolphins, which cannot walk nor run. There are also highly intelligent species that generally do not walk, such a octopuses and birds. Also you skipped other ways of locomotion, such as crawling and climbing. Sure locomotion is crucial, but it's not a simple just a switch to walking. You made it seem like intelligence is only about walking and running, but in reality intelligence was acquired as a long process of various adaptations. Other examples for crucial adaptations that are completely missing from your narrative would be communication, prosociality, or tool-using

[bluGill]

Most of those animals don't have a significant part of my genetic heritage. There are lots of ways to an end, how humans got here is different from others. The comment boxes here don't allow for the space needed to write a book so it is expected to leave out a lot of details.

[LargoLasskhyfv]

They can speed up and jump out of the water, making big splashes when diving back in again. Obviously for fun. They won't just float under water, and their mechanisms of movement have evolved in their environment, just like ours did for us.

I don't see your point? Not seeing the forest because of all the trees?

Octopussies have fun moving in weird ways, too. Also exploring, and making fun of captors!

Birds...did you know that their five feathers on the ends of their wings are the equivalent of our fingers, neurologically/network-wise? They sense the currents of the air with them.

Whatever. I think, no matter which species you are belonging to, it can be good to have these systems in more or less autonomous action, moving by themselves, while having a somewhat detached mind, soaring along, thinking about other stuff than the usual chores.

Edit: Maybe something like micro-dosing a little bit of 'Runner's high' by walking aimlessly?

[BigTTYGothGF]

> their five feathers on the ends of their wings are the equivalent of our fingers, neurologically/network-wise?

When was the last time you saw a feather? (Or a bird).

[LargoLasskhyfv]

Almost daily? Having Hummingbirds atm. Sometimes collecting them in a basket after sudden coldsnaps, warming them up slowly from hibernation, and feeding them :-)

Edit: Have you ever had a big white swan spread his wings, and touch his five feathers against the spread fingers of your hand? 'Gimme five' so to speak. I did.

As I did with Seagulls, Crows/Ravens, Starlings, Blue tits, Robins, city and forest Pigeons, and really long ago a common Swift, which I successfully raised.

[gowld]

Do you have a photoblog?

[saalweachter]

The primary feathers of a bird's wing are anchored to the bird's "hand bones". In modern birds these bones are kind of grown together into a big lump, but the outermost five primaries are attached to the five fingers, or what used to be digits in the bird's ancestors.