[Cider9986]

I wish more people knew you can turn iPhones and Androids into dumbphones through MDM and other methods. It would save people money , you wouldn't have to sacrifice security, and they wouldn't complain about losing Google maps or Signal.

Result is no ability to install apps and no web browsing. It's really a smart, smartphone because you get the benefits of it being smart without becoming dumb through the distractions.

[shrubby]

Anything I can remove, I can restore. So yes and no.

Few people have the willpower to stand against the addictive design, but I'm not one of them :D

[Cider9986]

You can use a password to make it so you can't restore. That's the difference with my methods.

There are various ways to store the password to allow some level of management. Give half of it to a friend, write it down, make it super long.

[exe34]

Why fight the system when you can just leave the system?

[toilet]

It would save people money, you wouldn't have to sacrifice security, and they wouldn't complain about losing Google maps or Signal.

[exe34]

Paper maps still work. What do you sacrifice in security in a dumb phone? A dumb phone is much cheaper. You can still call your friends.

[kjkjadksj]

Increasingly services want 2fa and other bullshit that only really plays nice with a modern smartphone. They don’t sell a lot of dumb phones fwiw. The network that your old one in the drawer ran on is shut down. The new “dumphones” are usually android phones designed for old people with poor eyesight and dexterity.

[SauntSolaire]

It's a mental thing too, the years of habit have built up such that for me smartphones are associated with distraction.

It's like deciding to quit smoking but using an empty cigarette pack to carry your credit cards. Sure, I'm not smoking, but every time I pay for something I have to squash the urge.

[kelvinjps10]

I deleted my browser and installed an app on my phone to block all apps except the ones that I have in an allowlist

[patrickdavey]

So you have an article you can point to?

[Cider9986]

I didn't use an article, I just followed the principles and had an LLM do the android debug bridge commands.

Here is an article I found later which did the same thing as me.

(https://jordanherzstein.neocities.org/posts/adb_vanadium/)

For Android basically:

Live in user profile, keep owner profile with appstores. Push apps that are distractions free into user profile.

Use ADB to remove the built in browser because you can't just delete it or not install it because it's a system app. On GOS it's the only system app that is distracting, but I can imagine other phones might have others. Same principle, just remove it with ADB from the user profile.

Never install an app store in the user profile.

Owner profile password mitigation. You have a few options. Make it way too long to easily type and memorize it, write it down on paper and put it away in basement/attic/friends house, give it to a friend, give part of it to a friend(so they can't unlock the owner profile, only you can, but only if you ask them so huge friction).

Personally, I just have a super long passphrase memorized and that's enough too make the friction large enough. And it's really peaceful on the user profile.

Result. Without the owner password, I am in the user profile and I can't browse the web(HN) or install a distracting app like TikTok or install a new browser. If I want to update an app or manage the device or when the device restarts

Back when I was on iOS I used Apple Configurator which is Apple's MDM solution. You need a Mac it borrow one.

You remove Safari and disable installing apps. This is the guide I followed. Pretty sure your have to factory reset your phone first.

https://redd.it/1731ozp

So, to install new apps you have to connect the iPhone to the Mac and optionally add a password.

MDM is supported by Apple, uninstalling the browser is not recommended by GOS developers, but I haven't had any issues. Soon, GOS will support MDM, so hopefully that will be an even better solution.

[red369]

Cider9986 answered for Android, so I'll throw out a suggestion for iPhone.

Assistive Access on iPhone might be an option for people looking for something drastic. Turning it on is simple, but it's pretty brutal and a bit crude in some ways even compared to a feature phone. Your mileage will vary! It's something I often suggest, and never quite recommend.

https://support.apple.com/en-sg/guide/assistive-access-iphon...

You pick the apps you want access to, and the permissions each should have, set a password, and then when you turn Assistive Access on, the phone reboots into a very limited mode. You can have every app you want, but when I've played with it, I've still found it felt too limited for daily use. Maybe I wouldn't find that if I was at the point of buying a feature phone. I can't remember what frustrated me, except that I remember being pleasantly surprised by how much worked, and frustrated by some basic things.

As an example, I was impressed that I could turn on and off a VPN through an app, even though I couldn't see the status of it outside the app. On the other hand, the location permissions felt buggy, and the locations permission changes in Assisted Access mode seemed to mess with the settings in the normal mode too.