[Aeolun]

The fact that you call them progressives hints at a more general frustration that I doubt has anything to do with the problem.

There is nothing wrong with some people working on a regional or global fix while others work on a local one. The important thing is that they’re working for it.

[elmomle]

I think there's more nuance to it. The big failing of progressive movements is that they seek, often from a position of disadvantage, to impose power over society too, but in the ways they feel are more just. The vast majority of progressives I know aren't very interested in listening to the other side, or implicitly believe that the other side is wrong and it's just a matter of making them see that.

But this ignores the humanity of people on the other side of the issue--people who may have legitimate moral and philosophical questions about very difficult and complex issues.

It does seem that acting locally, within the realm of actual human relationships rather than alienating impositions of authority, would likely result in much greater good in the long term.

[jimbokun]

Even if you do think the other side is evil in many of their beliefs and actions, you still may need to work with them on issues where you find agreement.

Like diplomacy with regimes you find reprehensible may still be preferable to war.

[palmotea]

> you still may need to work with them on issues where you find agreement.

There are many progressives that can't even manage that.

[sevenzero]

Not to mention the counterpart to progressive people -> conservative people, cause so many more issues they just love to not acknowledge.

[jimbokun]

Agree to disagree.

I don’t think “global” fixes ever work well. In practice throwing out everything and starting from scratch just makes the overall situation worse.

Sustainable, lasting progress happens incrementally.