[jimbokun]

It’s a black box in the sense that we know the process used by LLMs to “reason” is very different than how humans reason and make decisions.

The whole point of “jury of your peers” is that your guilt or innocence is being decided by people with common life experience to you and thus the possibility of empathy and judging you fairly.

[threethirtytwo]

We only know it’s different. But we don’t know how it reasons or how humans reason. Just because it is different doesn’t make his black box argument valid. It remains invalid despite your new irrelevant point.

Ignore the fluff. Focus on the logic and stay rational. The black box argument is not at all valid.

[jimbokun]

We know other humans reason something like us because we know how we ourselves reason through the most direct experience possible and know that our fellow humans are very similar to us.

[threethirtytwo]

We know the LLM can be similar because we train it on data from us as well. We also know the LLM can be different, but we also know humans are different too.

Examples like psychopaths tells us how different humans can be. It’s all black boxes.

[jimbokun]

This is dumb.

The way a psychopath’s brain works will be far more similar to another human brain than an LLM will.

[threethirtytwo]

Right so you prefer psychopaths over LLMs to make the decision? Be real. How similar it is, is irrelevant.

You're STILL wrong on the black box argument. Humans are still black boxes. And btw, you said this is "dumb" what you're really implying is that * I * am dumb. But look very hard at the logic in your argument. I think it's categorically factual that the only dumbass here is actually you. I'm not gonna hide this behind some "This is dumb" passive aggressive bullshit. YOU are dumb.