[irishcoffee]

They're not far off, getting the same seamless integration as hosted models is a full time job. I think what just happened is that devops is about to explode. What will naturally follow is local hosting of all the things when people realize subscription costs for cloud-whatever are absurd.

Gitlab is going to take off? This is not investment advice.

[Wowfunhappy]

> What will naturally follow is local hosting of all the things when people realize subscription costs for cloud-whatever are absurd.

Even acknowledging we don't know exactly what costs would look like in a world without VC money, wouldn't hosting models logically be cheaper to do at scale in a data center?

When I compared to the cost of running DeepSeek locally, I meant that we can treat that cost as a price ceiling, not the floor.

[Groxx]

Like how server hosting at scale in a datacenter is cheaper than running your own datacenter? Despite ~every company consistently concluding that hosting their own stuff is several multiples cheaper?

No, I think local stuff using also-useful-for-other-things hardware will vastly undercut cloud hosting when the free money pipeline shuts down, and will stay that way for roughly forever. That doesn't mean cloud stuff isn't useful, clearly it is, but adding another company in the middle is rarely the solution for reducing costs.

[irishcoffee]

Vscode uses undocumented api calls. Right now we are living through the PokémonGo api fiasco. That ended with paid keys and a mostly dead economy.

[Wowfunhappy]

Sorry, can you fill me in? I don't see the connection.

[irishcoffee]

Which part? The undocumented, shifting api or the intentional friction?

[Wowfunhappy]

...are you sure you originally replied to the right post?