[bbor]

A) Well, it's you vs. the Pope and I!

B) Fine, drop communism altogether -- it's evil and disgusting and bit my finger and should never be tried again. Can we work on a society where the means of production are owned by groups of laborers?

[adamtaylor_13]

Re: B my guess is probably not (human nature and all that), but I'm open to ideas! I just think failed experiments where tens of millions died are probably not ones where we just flippantly "try again".

[keybored]

> I just think failed experiments where tens of millions died are probably not ones where we just flippantly "try again".

What do you mean try again? Capitalism is still the way of the world.

[megaman821]

A lot of the world is a free-market and labors can absolutely own the means of production. Is there some government regulation in particular that you think is preventing this?

[losvedir]

> Can we work on a society where the means of production are owned by groups of laborers?

I have good news for you. As someone in my job's ESPP plan and with a 401k, it already is!

[keybored]

401K is like “all animals are equal but some are more equal to others” with regards to laborers owning the means of production.

[bbor]

I… ok. I can see that I engaged with a conversation that inevitably invites common political disagreements — apologies!