[cryo32]

Leisure projects for me at least are about the personal challenge and achievement. If the LLM does it, you achieved nothing.

[r2_pilot]

I'm glad that you find achievement in the personal challenge. At home, I'm just getting things done. Small things, bigger things, and best of all I get to pet the dog more while it works in the background.

[cryo32]

Yeah so don't bother. I don't write code at home. What's the point? I go on holiday once a month!

[josephg]

So, you don't even work on personal projects? But you want to lecture everyone else about how to do them correctly (according to you)? What a waste of time.

[cryo32]

I spent years working on personal projects.

Back to 1988.

Think I have a fair bit of experience.

[whstl]

Are you assuming that "using a LLM" automatically means "vibe coding"?

Is it not engineering anymore even if you micromanage and relegate the machine to a better typist, following patterns and doing research around?

[josephg]

> If the LLM does it, you achieved nothing.

Oh get off your high horse.

You may as well say "If the compiler compiles your code, you achieved nothing". Its the same argument.

I love meaty algorithmic challenges. And I enjoy the design challenge of making a piece of software. But I don't write CSS for fun. Debugging styling issues on mobile? I hate it.

LLMs let me work on the parts that I find enjoyable and satisfying. Like UI design, or figuring out the data model. And then I can delegate the parts I don't like to Claude. It seems very happy to bang away at CSS.

That's a great deal. If you want to personally write every line of code, good for you. But don't police my leisure projects.