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by 0xDEAFBEAD 22 days ago
Even if the money comes out of the California budget rather than the federal budget, runtime_terror's claim "It's not like undocumented immigrants even get welfare or other social programs" was not fully true. California is half a trillion dollars in debt, and is the only state which hasn't paid back its pandemic loan from the federal government. I sure hope the feds won't be responsible if California collapses.

I'm not even sure how I feel about immigration restriction. But I do want to get the facts straight. Be careful about assuming that anyone who mentions facts which are inconvenient for your worldview is "writing in bad faith" or "being stupid on purpose". That's a fast-track to epistemic closure like we see in religious cults.

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> If California collapses

Hahahahahhahagahahhahagaggahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha!

Brother, we're the 4th largest economy in the world. We hold up an outsized percentage of the US economy.

> But I do want to get the facts straight

Oh do you now? You're the one that believes countries are better off after the US overthrows their democratically elected leaders and that the Venezuelans were celebrating in the streets (most of those were AI videos btw).

You just want to defend US imperialism and to scapegoat hard working immigrants.

>Brother, we're the 4th largest economy in the world. We hold up an outsized percentage of the US economy.

Why hasn't the pandemic loan been paid back? Why do so many in Silicon Valley want to relocate to Austin or Miami?

>most of those were AI videos btw

Source? Most of the discussion on the venezuela subreddit seemed pleased about the intervention

https://old.reddit.com/r/vzla/comments/1q2yxsb/trump_acaba_d...

https://old.reddit.com/r/vzla/comments/1q4nfzm/opiniones_kam...

You believe Maduro was "democratically elected"? I don't think any serious observer believes he won a free and fair election.

You claimed the dire economics in South America was a result of US intervention. I gave 3 data points indicating that it's not that simple. You haven't given a single data point in support of your position.

>defend US imperialism

As I said, I'm an isolationist. I just get tired of people blaming the US for everything.