[mhh__]

I increasingly agree with the spirit of this. I'm not even convinced that they'll never be able to "program" I just find that these tools are to midwits what flame is to a moth and destroy the systems-thinking that drives good engineering (as opposed to merely coding)

You have to be good enough to know what to ask for but not good enough to ask yourself what is needed next, or to say no to it - for example, you can fairly easily ask an agent to write small changes and so on, almost no one does.

Management are also seem the most prone to psychosis (IMO at least) e.g. if you are a once-technical manager it probably feels great to kind of being doing programming again with a minion who doesn't eat lunch?

I am yet to meet more than probably 2 vibe coders who uses their newfound "productivity" to try _new_ things as opposed to just pump out correct-looking slop - the problem here isn't just that there is now more code, but also that for some strange reason people seem to choose to automate the thinking as well as the coding.

I am yet to see any AI driven productivity around me. They can definitely turn a days work into a lot less time, this is magical, but I'm yet to see any "real" projects be delivered in a timeframe that's particularly different to what they would've taken previously.