[salawat]

>But I suspect it's a front because the posters don't want to admit #2. Hence my question.

And that's why you're getting reflexively downvoted. Because we can already tell by the way you telegraphed the question you aren't worth wasting time on. As it turns out, some of us don't think our youth shouldn't be able to have the same opportunities we did because a bunch of techies got the financial sector to go all in on greedmaxing. Those of us that actually believe in keeping society functional find very little to be recommended by blind "believer" types who just think you can yank the rug out from under your descendants, and force them to have to shape their life around choices you think are cool.

One can be a tech enthusiast and still see that AI is crack cocaine to the type of people who'd set society on fire given they can find someone to help them think through the implementation details, which before AI, was basically the last control the professional caste had over the Capital class. The kids can understand this. Strangely, there is a surprising number of adults who don't seem to ever make the jump to understanding not everyone has entirely benevolent intentions hidden behind their smile.

[thunky]

Fine you're in bucket #2.

Interesting how those who are united against AI have diverse reasons.

> Because we can already tell by the way you telegraphed the question you aren't worth wasting time on.

Nobody asked me before accusing me of bad intentions like you did, but I'll say anyway:

I think using technology to reduce human effort is entirely the point. I believe our economy needs to adapt to advancement, not the other way around. Not that it's going to be easy, but the anti-tech crowd are going to lose. You can't stop progress.

I know, an extreme philosophy to see on a tech forum.

I say this as someone who used AI to assist with real estate and legal issues recently with great success. And as a coder by trade that no longer writes code. And I'm amazed that anyone could say it's not amazing technology.

[salawat]

You can bucket me wherever you want hombre. Whatever makes you feel better. I walked away from tech voluntarily because I refuse to associate with or put my time toward a morally bankrupt industry, even if it is where my talents happen to align. I'm more than happy to be a subsistence humanitarian even if it requires me to sacrifice the gilt and opulence that comes with a tech salary.

I won't abuse humanity. Nor will I enable those who ultimately intend to do so using my work as a proxy. Maybe you should consider doing the same. You might learn something by stepping out of the bubble about all the problems you're creating.

[thunky]

> You might learn something by stepping out of the bubble about all the problems you're creating.

Well I really hope you put your money where your mouth. That means: Never use AI (obviously). Never look up how to plant carrots on YouTube. Don't learn to play an instrument or paint. Anything that exploits public information and steals knowledge without compensation, like AI does, is off limits.

Otherwise you'd be an incredible hypoctrite. Especially since you've already extracted your share of wealth from tech before you saw the light and converted to ludditism.

[salawat]

>Well I really hope you put your money where your mouth. That means: Never use AI (obviously).

Way ahead of you.

> Never look up how to plant carrots on YouTube.

Books and trial and error are good too. In fact, old fashioned Boolean search engine worked just fine.

>Don't learn to play an instrument or paint.

Now you're just making yourself sound like a daft fool. We've been doing those things since long before the Internet, and none of the abuses of humanity I refuse to see pushed forward spur from growing in those directions.

>Anything that exploits public information and steals knowledge without compensation, like AI does, is off limits. Otherwise you'd be an incredible hypoctrite. Especially since you've already extracted your share of wealth from tech before you saw the light and converted to ludditism.

Your gotcha ain't landing. I ain't holding back anyone else. I'll share with anyone that wants it. Except the Sam A's, the Amodei's, the Trump's & their minions, and any other asshat who thinks their ambition and will to rule by default grants them entitlement to my shoulders. There comes a time in life where you look at what the rest of the world expects you to give, and a part of you looks at what the world is doing with it, and says "enough". I never sought to chain, or to bind, to automate kill chains, to decieve people into buying what they don't need, or to harm. Yet I look all around me, and that's all I see people around here get their jollies off doing some form of. You don't own me. You don't own my output. You don't get to lay claim to the precious little that is mine, and that I seek to shepherd for the poor sod's down the road who have the misfortune of being born into the hellscapes you people seem to aspire to see brought into existence. Where your moats enrich you while extracting from them, where they own nothing, and have no chance too, because no one is selling.

I will make sure there is someone there to do for them what was done for me.

I will make sure that they have as much of the same room to grow in as I did without the disgusting tendrils of a corrupted as fuck tree of knowledge being weaponized against them.

I don't give a damn if I'm inconvenient to your vision. I've walked that desert. I've dealt with that mirage. I have no delusions about what's underneath the hood of what's been built, or the countless lives that have been ploughed under to keep it trundling along. I have one damn choice I can make. I can chase a corpse of a future that's being smothered in it's cradle, or I can plant and cultivate a seed of what once was, and nourish it that maybe it can take root in more favorable soil. Point is, that means rescinding my consent to be leeched off of.

You call me a Luddite & a hypocrite. Doesn't bother me none. Called myself much worse, and would call myself much worse if I didn't draw the line somewhere. This is my line in the sand. Have fun calling me what you will. I don't have a damn thing to call you at all. Enough ugly things in the world without bothering to name another. Have a nice day.

[thunky]

> You don't own me. You don't own my output.

This is the disconnect we're having.

If you share a repo and Github and I learn from it, and I'm influenced by it, and I create my own project that I couldn't have created otherwise, then I'm not stealing your output or claiming ownership. I'm not using your work. I learned from it. To me this is all AI is doing.

I do agree that if it reproduces copywrited or licensed material then that is stealing and it should be held liable for that. Just like Google can't serve up copywrited material. But learning and creating a derived work is not reproduction imo.

The fact that you're willing to use a search engine but not AI is illustrative to me. Because if you squint at it, AI is just a smarter search index.