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by yuters 26 days ago
I've tried to setup Arch with Hyprland like 3 times on my own and with the most popular dot files. It was terrible, frustrating and things broke all the time. Omarchy fixed that and I can't recommend it enough.
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I’ve done both ultimately doing it raw helped me figure out why my setup and the omarchy attempt failed, (my cpu integrated graphics were rendering and passing the result to my 3090 not using the card at all) but I think anything that elevates Linux and solves the endless choices for people who don’t enjoy engaging with that is a good thing.
Did dhh provide a recipe to install hyprland properly without having to install a full "distribution"? (I don't know, it's a real question)

It feels very strange (and wrong) to me: if there is difficulties in installing something, try to help people instead of packaging the solution with other things that are not related. It feels a bit like if uv was mainly providing their "uvOS" to solve the difficulties of dealing with python packages.

>Did dhh provide a recipe to install hyprland properly without having to install a full "distribution"? (I don't know, it's a real question)

I would guess in typical DHH fashion he would say it is Open Source. And I don't understand where this just Arch + Hyprland installation is coming from?

They have also customised the OS / distro so it install in less than 2 min on a super fast USB. Getting Laptops, both Framework and Dell are now on board, tested on Omarchy so they work out of the box. And so many other tiny things that just make the experience better. I say better but to most consumer, those are expected in the first place.

And this "expectation" people have been waiting for more than a decade.

> Getting Laptops, both Framework and Dell are now on board, tested on Omarchy so they work out of the box. And so many other tiny things that just make the experience better. I say better but to most consumer, those are expected in the first place. And this "expectation" people have been waiting for more than a decade.

As a fan of boring Dell laptops/desktops and owner of many, I can tell you they have been well supported in every distro I have tried (Debian, Fedora, Arch, SUSE)

Dell has been selling machines with official Ubuntu support for ages iirc
If I remember it correctly Omarchy started as an in-house alternative to macOS in one of DHHs companies. And was then released to the public.

So the purpose of Omarchy was to get devices quickly set up with some opinionated defaults.

He built it for himself first, posting frequently about it on X. Once it reached a point of stability, he announced that Basecamp was starting to transition it's employees from macOS to it.
So, is the answer "no"?

I don't think it changes anything about what I was saying. If indeed dhh helped find a way to install hyprland more easily but failed to also provide a standalone recipe, that does not sound like a good practice to me.

The answer is: no, solving your problem was not the goal of the project.

But the source code is public, you can extract the relevant scripts from the repo: https://github.com/basecamp/omarchy

This is not what I'm saying. I'm not saying that they should "solve my problem", I'm saying that their reputation should be reviewed negatively if they "create a distribution to solve a problem that has no reason to be solve by creating a distribution". Not that it is a very very bad thing, just that it shows that they are not really good at what they do.
'I'm saying that their reputation should be reviewed negatively if they "create a distribution to solve a problem that has no reason to be solve by creating a distribution".'

Why? People can do as they wish and you can use it or not.

Its exactly what you’re saying. You have a different problem and a different opinion. And your conclusion is that „they are not good at what they are doing“

I’m really no DHH fan, but i think he knows what he’s doing and is also good at it.

I was just talking about my experience. I don't think DHH's entire goal was only to help people install Hyprland, it's weird that you're getting this idea.
It is not what I'm saying, of course.

I'm saying that if they ended up shipping the house because the house contains their new useful microwave but forget to ship the microwave independently, it is something that should decrease their reputation, it looks silly and amateurish.

Of course, I'm not saying that they should solve my problem for me. Simply, they are doing things in a complicated way either uselessly or either non-fully-honnestly.

That is exactly what you are saying.

"Oh there's a half furnished house. Silly amateur house builder, why they don't just sell microwaves?" ?!

What? Not at all what I'm saying. The whole thread started with "a solution to install hyprland", which is "the microwave". My expectation is that someone who knows how to fix a microwave will also know how to distribute it without the whole house.

If someone provide a half-furnished house, that is fine by me. If they provide a half-furnished house and also say "hey, it comes with a microwave because I know how to fix a microwave. If you want me to fix a microwave without having to have the whole house, do it yourself, I don't know how to do that", then it raises quite a bunch of red flags about how this person understand how a house works. And in this case, yes, I will call this person an amateur. Not because of the half-furnished house, but because they presented the situation in a way that indicate that they don't really have a grasp on how houses and microwaves work.

> If they provide a half-furnished house and also say "hey, it comes with a microwave because I know how to fix a microwave. If you want me to fix a microwave without having to have the whole house, do it yourself, I don't know how to do that",

You're still misattributing the reason I like Omarchy to DHH's reason of making Omarchy.