[wwweston]

The only thing I've targeted as wrong is how you argue. That's what I hate, and with amply described reasons.

I've spent a lot of words on it under the charitable assumption that you were truthful in your desire for better discussion. At this point, you've persuaded me that was overly charitable.

Instead it appears you're determined to maintain a fictional posture implying bad behavior in others whether or not it exists so you can claim whatever fruits of grievance you're here to harvest.

If the time comes when I care about defending or attacking the memo, I'll do so effectively. I haven't taken a position on the memo. I've only asked you to sustain positions you've taken or honestly retreat from them. And not pretend other people are taking positions that they aren't, which is apparently a big ask.

[timr]

If you think the policy is wrong, make an argument why. Don't just call people names.

Why is this so hard?

[wwweston]

It's hard because you're wrong.

It's hard because you continue to love pretending that people are calling you names even when they're not. It's hard because you find it convenient to demand people defend arguments they're not making.

My position is that your arguments are bad. I've made my arguments why. I don't have to argue about the policy, because I haven't staked a position on it.

I haven't called you names, so it's disingenuous to respond as if "Don't call people names" is on topic. For sake of contrast, saying something like "You're a dishonest piece of troll shit" might be calling you names; it's pretty clear most of my discussion has instead been focused on pointing out the problems with your arguments, positions, and rhetoric, which is part of why you're finding things so hard.

Though at this point your dishonesty is manifest to anyone following along.

[hackyhacky]

You are missing the point in spectacular fashion.

This is not a debate about immigration policy. This is a debate about government-sanctioned racist scapegoating under the guise of immigration policy. Honest discussion requires calling a spade a spade.

Having a debate about the policy on their terms is exactly what they want. How well did that go when for a week in 2024 everyone was asking "Do Haitians really eat cats and dogs"