[raverbashing]

I see where you're going here but no

A Cessna an a big jet fly by the exact same principles and they stop flying due to the exact same principles as well

Sure the procedures and parameters and automations are different (as well as things like wing positioning, engine positioning, swept wings, number of engines, sure)

But you raise the nose of both of them enough they will both stall. If you lose speed they will both stall. They will behave similarly (or maybe weirdly) enough in curves.

And I think this is what was forgotten here. Having a fancy cockpit does not make it less than a dual-engine swept-wing fixed-wing aircraft. The principles are the same

[WalterBright]

Flying at near supersonic speeds at high altitude with a swept wing airplane is quite different from low and slow with a straight wing and thick air. Jetliners have a rather small envelope at altitude where the airplane will fly, things like overspeeding it will cause it to go out of control.

A fair amount of effort goes into designing the cockpit so it feels to the pilot like a low and slow aircraft, but it is not the reality.

For example, jetliners are unstable and require a yaw damper.

[raverbashing]

Yes yes and I know all of that

We can argue semantics but the reason AF stalled is the same reason a Cessna would stall (too high of an AoA)

And fair enough the comparison with the Cessna might be bad, but compare it with a 737-200 or even an A300 and the comparison will be much closer even though the 737 doesn't have the fancy cockpit

> things like overspeeding it will cause it to go out of control.

Well that would be the case of the Cessna as well, if it has enough power

[WalterBright]

> Well that would be the case of the Cessna as well, if it has enough power

Jetliners do have the power to overspeed, and the efficient place to be in the flight envelope is quite near it. A Cessna cannot.

There's a rather small envelope a jetliner operates in at altitude. A Cessna is far more forgiving, though you can get into deep doo-doo with that if you try.

You are correct that stall recovery is the same for both airplanes.

Although I know a lot about airplanes as an engineer, I am not a pilot and have not had pilot training.

My dad would attack artillery (Korean War) by diving straight down on it. I'm pretty sure his jet was fitted with dive brakes.

[wolvoleo]

A Cessna can certainly overspeed (as in reach its own Vne speed). But not in straight and level flight, no.

And yes dive bombers sure featured dive brakes! I think they caused the typical sound the German Stuka was known for too.