[array_key_first]

Debunked in what sense?

In the sense that it doesn't work? Well it definitely works, gender affirming care like TRT helps men all the time. Breast implants help women after breast cancer related mastectomies. Vaginoplasty also commonly helps traumatic rape victims, too.

Or, do you mean debunked as in debunked in helping people with gender dysphoria? Because that's wrong too, we know that gender affirming care leads to less suicide in that population.

[matchbok3]

Even the ACLU had to admit your last line is false (U.S. v. Skrmetti). After multiple rounds of obfuscation.

[UncleMeat]

This is a misunderstanding.

Because suicide is so rare and the number of people receiving gender affirming care is so low it is nearly impossible to get population sizes to demonstrate a statistically significant reduction in suicide.

We can instead show a statistically significant reduction in depression, anxiety, and suicidal thinking. In every other medical context this is used as a strong shorthand for "reduces suicides." It is completely reasonable here as well.

[matchbok3]

Well, you said it directly reduces suicides. Now you are saying it doesn't. Which is it?

At some point you need to understand this is why 95% of the population disagrees with your side.

Good luck! I will stop responding here because you seem ill-equipped to form a substantive argument.

[UncleMeat]

The research community is happy to use "reduces suicides" as shorthand for "reduces depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation in statistically significant amounts." It is only in this one context that people insist that this is somehow misleading and therefore actually gender affirming care is evil.

But okay. Imagine that in this circumstance it really is the case that gender affirming care doesn't reduce suicide rates (rather than this just being difficult to collect data about). It merely reduces depression and anxiety and suicidal ideation in people. Oh no. That still sounds good to me.

[array_key_first]

He's not me, but from our understanding it reduces suicide as he explained.

Also, you pulled the 95% number directly out of your asshole. Most people don't give a shit if someone gets hormones prescribed by a doctor. You care for reasons that are unclear and you have failed to explain. I'm guessing because they're stupid reasons, and you know it, and you don't want to embarrass yourself so you figure you can just not say anything and hope nobody notices.

It is so incredibly rich to be talking about a "substantitive argument" when you haven't even brought AN argument. You just said "uh it don't work" and "durr people don't like this" and then refused to elaborate further.

Yes, you should stop responding because obviously you are far out of your depth and liable to humiliate yourself.

[matchbok3]

Thanks for proving my point.