[testing22321]

To be perfectly clear. The US has a much higher standard of living than the vast majority of countries in the world and people from those countries hope to improve their lives by moving there.

The US has a lower standard of living than basically all OECD countries.

To use a sports analogy, the US is last place on the pro league ladder, while also being first place on the “everyone else” ladder.

[noobermin]

Also there is a bit of inertia. In people's imaginations, the US still seems to glimmer, even if the reality isn't the same.

[anon7725]

I don’t think this captures the full story. The US has a bimodal standard of living reflected as a lower mean relative to other advanced nations.

It can be simultaneously true that immigrants to the U.S. from both advanced and developing nations both experience a higher standard of living than their countries of origin.

Immigrating to the U.S. with an advanced degree in an in-demand field: you likely will experience a higher standard of living.

Immigrating to the U.S. from a developing country without a particularly in-demand career: you likely will experience a higher standard of living.

[testing22321]

> Immigrating to the U.S. with an advanced degree in an in-demand field: you likely will experience a higher standard of living.

And yet everyone here in SF has been mugged. Everyone has to deal with the poor air quality, crime, traffic, and a million other factors that impact daily life even when you are rich. Little paid time off, very short maternity leave.

I went back to Australia for the first time in 10 years, and even the guy stacking shelves at a liquor store had 8 weeks of paid leave, owned his own home, had a project car (a big V8), kids going to university, excellent healthcare even if he quits, etc etc.

Ordinary guy, better quality of life than many rich Americans.

[parineum]

> I went back to Australia for the first time in 10 years, and even the guy stacking shelves at a liquor store ... owned his own home

Australia is having the exact same situation with housing as most of the cities in the US right now and Australia lacks the rural population where things are affordable so this seems incredibly unbelievable to me.

[testing22321]

Absolutely Australia has a huge housing crunch. No getting around that.

But everyone has healthcare. Everyone has university. Minimum wage is way, way higher than the US. Employee protections are huge (at will employment is criminal). Even the worst jobs have great paid time off and maternity leave. Overtime is paid, by law. Working 60 hours a week is unheard of.

Quality of life is much, much higher.