[biddit]

> cruelly cancelling

This is assigning intent without evidence, as is common in tribal politics. A non-charged assessment might use the phrase "abrupt cancelling."

We cannot create a better republic without constructive discourse, and we cannot have constructive discourse when we default to characterizing the views, concerns, and actions of those we disagree with as rooted in moral failure. Even if it is true from time to time.

[skulk]

This chiding from you would be better received if there was a shred of evidence that the other tribe is even slightly receptive to this kind of discourse.

Unfortunately, the norms of discourse are pretty much gone. This is terrifying in the long-term.

posted 7 years ago but applies far more broadly now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A

[thrownthatway]

If you were to try to convince me a 2:1 immigrant to local birth ratio here in Australia is a net good for the country, you’re first going to have to convince me your a reasonable person to have a conversation with.

If you jump straight in with claims against me that I’m -ist and -ic that’s going to be more difficult.

[skulk]

Huh? So more nonwhite people is a net negative for Australia? How isn't this just bald faced racism?

[caminante]

Here you are again [0], unable to represent comments in good faith.

Nobody said "non-white" and it isn't even implied because a significant proportion -- 35-40% of Australian Permanent Residents (US green card equivalent) -- come from EU/"White" countries.

The suggestions above are consistent with my request for you to review the HN comment guidelines.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48252227

[skulk]

Complaining about 2:1 immigrant to local birth rate has absolutely nothing to do with long-time permanent residents (who are locals). It's clearly a fear that white culture is being overrun by brown/chinese people.

Your comments degrade the discourse at least as much as you think mine do.

[caminante]

> Complaining about 2:1 immigrant to local birth rate has absolutely nothing to do with long-time permanent residents (who are locals)

Wrong again. They're locals and overseas-born immigrants.

[thrownthatway]

You’re really not doing great at convincing me you are a reasonable person to have a conversation with.

[mktk1001]

Would you try this constructive-criticism on an ICE agent pointing a gun to your head with no regard to your constitutional rights?

[magicalist]

> This is assigning intent without evidence, as is common in tribal politics

You are calling for constructive discourse and yet your response is an accusation of dishonesty. A non-charged assessment might use the phrase "without presenting evidence".

[thrownthatway]

This is why we can’t have serious discourse with the Left.

Not because we aren’t open to it, but because they insist that if you don’t utter the correct shibboleth you’re not worth talking to.

“Without evidence” vs “without presenting evidence”.

Batshitcrazy.