[array_key_first]

The point is your parents, or their parents, were immigrants. But those very same people we are now trying to restrict from coming here.

Meaning, if we time travel and apply these restrictions, you yourself would have never been a citizen. In fact, you probably wouldn't even exist. Do you see the problem?

That, my friend, is ladder pulling. When you destroy the very conditions that allow you to thrive.

[burnerRhodov3]

The entire world has been settled and resettled. You can't let past conquests stop you from having a country, laws and borders or all countrys would be illegitimate.

>The point is your parents, or their parents, were immigrants.

Or my parents, parents, parents, parents, parents, parents were... And if they came here for a better life, obviously there was some mind virus that was going on in their home country that forced them to leave in search of a better life. Don't try and bring that mind virus here if you had to immigrate here to escape it.

[array_key_first]

The US in particular has always been made up of immigrants. I don't know how it works for canada. But for the US, that's always been the case. We're a country by immigrants, for immigrants. An American identity is not one of skin color or race. To suggest otherwise is not just a ahistorical, it's anti-American.

There is no mind virus. People wish to rewrite history to fuel their own delusions. They don't require enforcement around immigration, they require medication and perhaps a history lesson or two.

[burnerRhodov3]

Measured as a percentage of population, we have more immigration now than we did in the 1890's peak. Given our drastically larger population, this is a problem.

Suicidal empathy mixed with this 'idea that america is illegitimate' cause we are a 'nation of immigrants', and we 'took land from the natives' is quite frankly retarded. And i can use the word retarded because i mean it in the literal since, "a verb meaning to slow down, delay, or impede a process."

[defrost]

Measured as a percentage of population, this graph:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm...

shows the USofA having much the same level of immigration as it had from 1860 through until 1920.

[burnerRhodov3]

Holy shit, we've gone form 4.5% of the pop and 10M to 14.5% to 50M?(!)in 40 years since 1970? Isn't that alarming? we are at the same level of immigration as the potato famine?

Also, check the definition of that chart... We have far more "illegal immigration" today than we did back in 1890. So.... egg zack ly. Don't you think that's a big problem considering our current size? I'm all for 'some' immigration, but the level we are at today is totally unsustainable when we have an absolute homeless epidemic in all of our cities?

[defrost]

  Holy shit, we've gone form 4.5% of the pop and 10M to 14.5% to 50M?(!)in 40 years since 1970? 

You (the UsofA) have returned to 1860-1920 levels, yes.

  Isn't that alarming? 

No.

  We have far more "illegal immigration" today than we did back in 1890. 

But the same level of immigration ... the problem lies with classification and stalled paperwork pipelines.

  Don't you think that's a big problem considering our current size?

The US has increased in size with the addition of Alaska and Hawaii in 1959, but still appears to have room for people.

   I'm all for 'some' immigration, but the level we are at today is totally unsustainable when we have an absolute homeless epidemic in all of our cities?

Is that a statement of fact, an opinion, or a question?

Are you certain that all US cities have "an absolute homeless epidemic"?

[etc-hosts]

I guess its was inevitable that Suicidal Empathy guys would break containment and make Hacker News accounts.

[array_key_first]

Au contraire, the actual suicide is blowing up our economy just to stick it to some brown people. Make no mistake, dumping tens of billions of dollars into ICE and supporting a man with the fiscal responsibility of a rock will not help the American economy.

It is truly astounding to me what lengths Republicans will go to to "win". Well, you've won. When are things going to get better? I'm waiting.