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The reality is many people come on temporary visas, as tourists, as students, etc., and overstay. This policy is some attempt to address flows of quasi-legal immigration.

It's unfortunate there's friction to the process, but it's by design. 15% of American citizens and permanent residents are foreign born, the highest it's been in 50+ years, so people are successfully making it through the process. Ideally we'd have better levers to (1) modulate the rate of immigration, (2) simplify the process of legal immigration, and (3) still somehow limiting illegal immigration, quasi-legal immigration, overstays, etc. This is not the ideal solution.

> it feels necessary to say: people who come here to contribute their skills and experience don't all come along on an H1-B/L1

Do people migrate to "contribute their skills" to a foreign country, or to improve their lives? Maybe I'm a cynic, but I suspect the vast majority of people throughout history have migrated to improve their lives, not to altruistically benefit a foreign country. And that's fine, that's normal. It's what motivates people, and the U.S. has a long history of being shaped by ambitious people, especially immigrants, who wanted to improve their lot in life.

> nor do they only come from white or european countries.

I don't know if that's necessary to be said, because who thinks that? In recent decades, 85%-90% of immigrants to the U.S. are not white. >90% if you include undocumented immigrants. The trajectory of America from a white majority to white minority country is fueling at least some of the immigration backlash today. But I think for most people, it's a feeling (right or wrong) that jobs becoming harder to find, houses are becoming harder to afford, and more and more people are competing for fewer resources.

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> This policy is some attempt to address flows of quasi-legal immigration.

Is it though? This administration doesn't exactly have a track record of decisions based on carefully thought out policy implications.

> Do people migrate to "contribute their skills" to a foreign country, or to improve their lives?

I think the two are often linked.

> I don't know if that's necessary to be said, because who thinks that?

Effective January 21, 2026, the Department of State paused all visa issuance to immigrant visa applicants who are nationals of seventy-five countries. The overwhelming majority of the affected countries are not predominantly white and are not European.

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of countries in the world at not predominantly white, do you?
When Trump explicitly invites only white people from South Africa, a majority black nation, I think the intention is pretty clear.
Are you trying to claim that the white people in Zimbabwe and South Africa are responsible for wrecking those countries?

White people are, and have been, target and killed in those place.

Apparently there is no white genocide going on in SA [0], and in farm attacks the victims are quite often black.

Perhaps you can enlighten me on the Zimbabwe situation?

That said, I think the centuries of colonialism and slavery--of which whites in the US greatly benefited--makes this exclusion of immigrants from predominantly brown nations disgusting. Pulling up the ladder, even from some of those who built it for you.

[0] https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-03-19-we-must-b...

I never claimed ”genocide”.

I have friends from South Africa and Zimbabwe. They’re all lying to me?

“Kill the Borer! Kill the farmer!”

Would that make you want hang around and find out?

> Do people migrate to "contribute their skills" to a foreign country, or to improve their lives?

People come to improve their lives.

Their employers hire them to improve their lives.

Both end up better off!

More people are impacted by mass immigration than immigrants and employers.
Correct, and it is overall a positive impact. There is marginal increased competition for a limited number of professions, and a meaningful boost to local economies
> overall a positive impact.

Wrong. Australia imports foreigners at a rate of 2:1 against local births.

That replacement.

Overall a positive impact so long as you’re not the group being replaced.

Are there any examples of white-minority countries that have worked well for white people?

It helps that I’m not racist and couldn’t care less about skin color leaderboards
I used to have a more naive libertarian view, but after the last decade, observing both my countries (US and Sweden), I agree that you need to keep the immigration at a level where they have to adapt to your existing culture, not the opposite.

That said, importing smart engineers and entrepreneurs from the world is so absurdly beneficial for the US that... I can't find words right now.

> have migrated to improve their lives, not to altruistically benefit a foreign country

These are not mutually exclusive. I want a better life, and I also have career ambition and skills that I'm willing to deploy in a place that will give me a better life in return.

Well…your motivation is not altruistic to the host country in that case, it’s selfish.

You want a better life, the country providing it is arbitrary as long as it accepts the currency that you can provide for that better life by your skill set.

If it was altruistic you would emigrate because you believe in the country you are emigrating to even if it meant your life was worse.

> your motivation is not altruistic to the host country in that case, it’s selfish

There is nothing wrong with that. I'm selfish, you're selfish, the government is selfish, everyone in the host country is selfish. It's human nature. We all want good lives. That's the reason a transactional economy exists. It's good for the country's GDP and overall economy to welcome outside talent, and that outside talent enjoys being rewarded for their contributions, and over time, their new place of residence becomes a part of their cultural identity. That's how things usually work.

Not everyone is a saint.

> If it was altruistic you would emigrate because you believe in the country you are emigrating to even if it meant your life was worse.

Reality check: 99% of people would take a better life over a worse life. And there's nothing wrong with that. The entire world is built with this as a base assumption.

Also, reality check: Life in the US kinda sucks unless you have a well-paying skilled job or a lot of money. In either case you'll be contributing to the economy.

I made no claim that selfishness is wrong or altruism is right. Nor did i make any claims as to what life is like in the US—so I don't need any “reality checks” about what your personal beliefs are about life in the US at specific income levels, it’s not relative here. Being poor in the US probably sucks compared to being rich in the US. I am also sure that you can say that about literally every country on this planet.

My comment was about why this was not a “it’s both” type of situation. So just own your motivation for what it is—you emigrate so you can get a better life in a new country than you can get in your old country. That’s honorable enough.

Fine. No one’s likely to argue you’re wrong.

And it seems you agree: people don’t move to a new place to contribute their skills.

They move because of the potential upsides for themselves.

I'm saying most people are motivated by self interest, not that you have nothing to offer in return.
This policy is a further extension of this administration’s public, explicit and frequently repeated goal of ethnic cleansing. Acting like this is a rational policy response to any real problem is ridiculous.
Both the far right and far left throw around accusations of "ethnic cleansing." Both are ridiculous, but considering the U.S. population shifted from 85% white to 55% white in the last few decades, and even today most immigrants come from Mexico, India, China, etc., there really doesn't seem to be much evidence that we're actively trying to limit the flow of non-white people into America. Besides that, there are valid reasons why people want to limit or increase immigration that don't justify hysterical accusations of ethnic cleansing.
Ethic cleansing is something much worse when that race you are "cleansing" is already living there (Israel removing Palestinian from Gaza)

The accusations is just racism. The fact that Trump gave extra fast visas to white South Afrikaans makes you think that there were some racial reasoning there.

In the last decades the whole world is more global.

> The accusations is just racism. The fact that Trump gave extra fast visas to white South Afrikaans makes you think that there were some racial reasoning there.

What is wrong if white people want to help other white people escape persecution?

Nothing wrong in their to help.

But if you only help based on the colour of the skin... That's a little bit racist.

Also, as far as I know there is not persecution in South Africa. Trump used photos from the wrong conflict. And there are really bad things happening in Africa... but not to white people

What now?

White South Africans, white Zimbabweans too, have been executed.

It’s like the dark skinned people in South Africa looked at what happened in Zimbabwe and decided they wanted to live in shit too.

Now the rest of the Western world seems to want to follow suit.