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by tsss 31 days ago
The USA don't owe you citizenship. It's on you to prove that your presence there would be of benefit to the other citizens.
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Given the opportunity, at the time, I would have happily taken steps to prove my presence would be of benefit. Instead, I had to spend my time asking family to give me their pension statements.

Later, I was recognized for that potential benefit. Last December, I became a citizen.

Green Cards aren't citizenship.
They're permanent residency, so other than voting rights effectively the same thing.
Lots of other differences.

1. Citizens have a right to enter at ports of entry, can refuse to hand over social media accounts, etc. Greencard holders are still at the discretion of border officials.

2. Citizens can wander the world and live abroad for however long they fancy and always be allowed to return to their country of citizenship when things go awry. Greencard holders can't do that.

3. Citizens get consular protection, greencard holders don't.

I suggest you go and try out an immigration system. You have no idea.
I lived in central Europe for two years. Had to wait in line for 20 hours halfway through my time there to renew my visa, otherwise it wasn't much of an issue.
Ok so you know what a visa is then.

So on your visa if you did anything bad, what would happen? Get your visa taken?

Here's one big difference. Do something bad, your green card might be taken. When you're a citizen? Nothing happens

And that's just one example...

Actually, if you do something bad enough, your citizenship can be removed. This is true in the US, UK, India, and maybe others. The exact procedures and criteria vary.
> Do something bad … When you're a citizen? Nothing happens.

Nothing?

No, you're wrong. You can lose their Green Card.

If you leave the country for more than 6 months, you need to seek prior approval, and you definitely can lose it. I was on Green Card and when I crossed the border, I was questioned by the customs officer as to why I didn't get my citizenship yet because it was 15 years I was on GC and the point of the GC wasn't to be literally permanent. I quickly got my citizenship after that just in case the same thing happened again.

If you get arrested for a major crime, you can lose your GC but you can only lose your citizenship if you lied or committed fraud at the time of your application, or if you committed treason against the government.

>No, you're wrong. You can lose their Green Card.

Didn't know that.

>If you leave the country for more than 6 months, you need to seek prior approval, and you definitely can lose it.

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

>If you get arrested for a major crime, you can lose your GC but you can only lose your citizenship if you lied or committed fraud at the time of your application, or if you committed treason against the government.

That sounds eminently reasonable to me.

It doesn't matter that it sounds reasonable to you.

The point wasn't that these difference are unreasonable.

It was that they are substantial, and absolutely exist, making your "green card is pretty much the same as citizenship" statement false.

>Didn't know that.

We know. This is why we're telling you these things.

Now you know.

And there's much more for you to find out.

First of all, not true, but second of all, thats a pretty important difference in a so called democracy.
Well, based on the state your in you can still vote citizenship or not.
Which state allows this?
California and New York are the most famous examples but asking perplexity I got:

As of the current 2026 rules, the states that do not require ID at the polls are: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin, plus Delaware has a special affidavit process if you do not have ID

https://www.usvotefoundation.org/2026-in-person-voter-id-pol...

We are not talking about voter ID laws. You have to be a citizen to register to vote. Do you want to answer the question in good faith?
this is not true.
... no. As someone who has had both, I can tell you there's _quite_ a difference.
Wish granted: You are no longer a citizen because you never "proved you were beneficial". Please remit $100,000 to the Citizenship Payment Service immediately to avoid being downgraded to serfdom. /s

Framing it that way is backwards and anti-democratic. Democratic citizenship is something the government "owes" you because it is imposing control on your life. It is not some kind of magnanimous gift of club membership, you already deserved to have a say in what's being done to you.

That's why most Americans (and their children) have never once been required to "prove" that they are "beneficial", and it's why people the government is controlling in jails are still citizens rather than objects.