[9cb14c1ec0]

3D printing is still very much an enthusiast, techie driver market. The degree to which Bambu has done their best to alienate that market is beyond astonishing.

I really like Bambu's machines. Their quality and prices are both excellent. But they no longer have an edge feature and speed wise. I can get pretty much the same product from Creality, so why would I even entertain a user-hostile company like Bambu?

[hightrix]

Anecdotally, I'm in the market for a new 3d printer and have been heavily considering a few Bambu models. All this drama, of which I'm not well informed on, is making me consider other vendors.

Without these issues, I would have already bought a Bambu printer. Now, I'm investigating all competitors.

[filcuk]

You'd do well to avoid them if you want to own your printer forever. I have 3 different Prusa printers, few of which have gone through several upgrades, and I love working with them (and not on them, as I'mnot the tinkering type).

[hightrix]

Thanks for the feedback. Prusa is on the top of my list at the moment. That's exactly what I want, to use it and not to work on it.

[ezst]

If you haven't already, you might want to read the twitter thread at the root of this HN discussion. It essentially postulates that all Chinese 3D Printer manufacturers are incentivised to follow in the steps of BambuLabs (being members of the state apparatus and subject to the same rules), while suffocating the competition outside of China (by benefitting from unfair advantages under the umbrella of a nationalistic development plan).

[wpm]

Yeah Bambu's "moat" was mostly in the fact that spent a bit more time considering consumer usability, they spent a shitload of money on advertising (like, the common refrain "I didn't want a 3d printer hobby" is straight out of their YT sponsor spots) and hit the market with a CoreXY printer that naturally beat bed-slingers in reliability.

That does not a moat make. Everyone has caught up. Go buy a Prusa (I'm currently hovering over the buy button on a Core One L, I really don't have the space but...). Go buy a Qidi. Go buy a Snapmaker. Hell, even the Elegoo Centuri is an excellent printer for the price. They have tons of competition and offer little above them aside from questionable ethics and a bad attitude.

[bluescrn]

Do other budget brands really print as well as Bambu out of the box with no tinkering?

Going from an old Prusa MK3s to a Bambu P1P+AMS was a huge upgrade. Mostly speed, reliable bed adhesion, and easy material swapping, it’s made printing as a hobby much more fun, and at this point I’m more interested in designing things to print than tinkering with the printer itself.

I’ve followed the online drama, but so far, not regretting the purchase. Would avoid Bambu if printing comercially/at scale, but the ‘user hostility’ doesn’t have much real world impact on hobbyists with 1-2 printers. Yet.

[wpm]

Even Elegoo has a reliable CoreXY printer.

Going from a bedslinger to a CoreXY is why you felt the Bambu P1 was a big upgrade. Bambu didn't invent printers with those kinematics, they were just the first major ones on the market and marketed the hell out of it.

[9cb14c1ec0]

> Do other budget brands really print as well as Bambu out of the box with no tinkering?

Yes, everyone has caught up to Bambu these days. I have personal experience with Creality and Anycubic.

[xeromal]

I think if anyone can get away with it, it's bambu though. They are the apple of the 3d printing market and most people don't care. They just hit print and hope it works