[BenFranklin100]

I considered an Oura but went with an Apple watch instead. I turned on Advanced Data Protection on the paired iPhone for peace of mind. No other large data providers really provide anything equivalent to ADP’s E2EE protection with zero access encryption, especially in the consumer space for activity trackers.

[nextos]

Garmin can be used completely offline?

AFAIK, they even have some watches with no radio hardware so that they can be used in sensible environments.

[allthetime]

Yup. It’s a bit of a pain, but you don’t have to use the connect app. Devices and data can be accessed with direct USB connection as standard storage. You will lose some features and I think firmware updates become difficult (or impossible?)

[nextos]

I think firmware updates and even map routes can be uploaded offline by mounting the watch as a USB mass storage device?

I wish Casio, Polar, Suunto and others provided this functionality.

There is some community software for Polar that enables offline data exchange, but it is a bit hacky, and OFC no firmware updates.

Suunto used to have a really good offline solution, but they discontinued that and moved to the cloud.

[mikestew]

Go through the Garmin Express desktop app for firmware updates.

I’m probably missing something, but I can’t think of anything you lose if you don’t use the phone app.

[BenFranklin100]

I believe they can be used offline, at least the last time I used Garmin I was able to set it up such that I could sync it to Golden Cheetah. It took some jumping through hoops and an older watch version to get it work, as I recall. For serious runners and hikers, the hardware is better than Apple.

I'm only a casual fitness tracker so the Apple Watch fits my needs better.

[treesknees]

I was stuck between the two, Oura won for its better sleep tracking and battery life.

I suppose one option would be to enable data syncing to Apple Health, and periodically delete/create new Oura accounts to purge historical health data. Not a great workflow, but would let you benefit from E2EE with Apple Health while using Oura (assuming Oura’s “delete account and all data” does what it claims)