[breppp]

While there are outliers, most of the European economy is Spain rather than Sweden

The European economy is still largely the same as pre-WW2, heavy machineries, cars, chemicals and these are becoming less relevant with Chinese competition. However, the move to tech never materialized like in the US, so no surprise when soccer becomes more important than anything else, it's the only long term viable export in bleak places like Spain

[bromuro]

In Spain soccer is culturally important - not economically central. Everyone in the world knows teams like Real Madrid or Barcelona. On the other side Spain is home of major telecom and banking multinationals, high-speed rail networks, renewable energy... the startup ecosystem is strong in many cities.

Also european countries are deeply competitive in areas like industrial automation, aerospace, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, telecommunications infrastructure, renewable energy systems, scientific instrumentation, petrochemicals etc.

Tourism is strong because the immense cultural heritage.

[breppp]

I think a good example of how this plays out is the way Gulf countries are buying European soccer clubs and Museums.

Countries that are economically conscious of a future time where they will be left producing nothing (oil replacement) are seeing the european model as inspiration

Your examples such as telecom and banking are supposed to support and grow out of a real economy, not replace it

[bromuro]

Actually I was referring to China, South Asia, Singapore, Hong Kong, India, South Korea. There European football is immensely popular. Or are these country not "economically conscious" either. Are the US economically "conscious" too?

[SpaceNugget]

> Everyone in the world knows teams like Real Madrid or Barcelona

I promise you that if you go canvas a random selection of North Americans you would be astonished at how many do not recognize "Barcelona" as anything but a city. Football is really not very popular there. Though in recent years it is slowly becoming a bit more watched.

[ktallett]

I can assure you that Mexicans (where football is the main sport and has been for years) would, Hondurans, Panamanians, and many others. If you simply mean the USA and Canada say so. Football is the most watched sport comfortably, with the odd anomaly like the US.

[SpaceNugget]

If I'm refuting that everyone in the world knows x, by showing a large population that doesn't know x. Saying that there is some other population that does know x makes no difference.

GP: all trucks are red. Me: no, here's some trucks that are blue. You: but look how many red trucks I see over there.

[bromuro]

Seems a bit US-centric calling UA population "large": it is roughly the 4% of the world.

[wolvoleo]

Tech is very present in Europe. We don't have that kind of ultra capitalist startup culture but when I see what comes out of that (meta, Google, Microsoft) I'm glad we don't. They're all companies that place profit over ethics..

We do have more sustainable efforts. Not as big but better.