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by trotro 25 days ago
These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI, yet you think they should have the same valuation as Crocs (yes, the footwear company) ?
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> These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI

This type of rhetoric is exactly why people think it's a scam

It’s nowhere near AGI, and LLMs are not going to lead to it either.

They do seem to be good at fooling people though.

> nowhere near AGI, and LLMs are not going to lead to it either.

Nevermind what they can do was pure science fiction just 3 years ago?

Exactly. Here I am sitting talking to my freaking computer, arguing with it, whatnot. And people just dismiss it as if it's not a science fiction. We were not there two, three years ago. Now we are. It's amazing and scary, scary mostly because the society that we operate in. I bet it's less scary in Norway or elsewhere where govt is more biased towards people not corps.
But what you and others have to understand is that real life is not simple and linear. There's no garauntee that things just continue to get better and better. I mean, it's not like we kept building cars and then eventually everyone was driving around at 800mph. We ran into limits - human limits, safety limits, physical limits.
They are good at fooling people.
What they can do was not science fiction, these things are all based on papers that were written decades ago, with the caveat that there's simply not enough compute power. Now there is. That's what changed. Everything on top of that is an incremental improvement.

It doesn't change the fact that LLMs are not, and never will be, AGI.

Who cares about AGI. That does not mean current LLMs are not massively useful.
Are you claiming they have AGI or are "close" to it?
Yes. I think cutting-edge LLM products obviously have what nearly anyone in 2020 would have called "artificial general intelligence".

The shape of the intelligence frontier has turned out to be much more jagged than anyone at the time expected, so I can imagine reasonable objections from someone who has a specific, concrete benchmark of AGI that wasn't invented 6 months ago and isn't yet met. If someone just has a subjective sense that they're not smart enough, I think they're wrong.

> obviously

If it was obvious I don't think there would be disagreement.

There is disagreement mostly because of deeply insecure people.
> These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI

That is the point under contention.

Regardless of the marketing material, LLMs are still just using probabilities to guess what the next token is.
you think it should be deterministic?
If LLMs were configured to be deterministic, instead of the current "small amount of randomness to provide the illusion of a thinking machine", they would be much more useful in exchange for being less exciting to laypeople.

In other words, scam.

you know you can set the temperature to zero and get exactly that, right?
... where can I get a subscription to this AGI?