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by nekzn 25 days ago
You are confusing drm with anti cheats.

In any case, good for Riot, and good especially for their players!

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anti-cheat is not perfect. they will brick a legitimate user's pc. that is the opposite of "good for their players".

and even if someone is cheating on a riot game, bricking their pc is obviously fucked, and will end up biting riot in the ass (i.e. not good for riot, either).

Which anti-cheat has bricked users' PCs? The Riot example above specifically targets DMA cards (cheating hardware) which no legitimate user will have.
>Which anti-cheat has bricked users' PCs?

the one we're talking about, where riot tweeted "congrats on your $6k paperweights".

>The Riot example above specifically targets DMA cards (cheating hardware) which no legitimate user will have.

you can play league/valorant legitimately, be using dma for whatever else, and apparently riot will still gladly brick your pc.

you apparently don't even need the games currently installed! if you have vanguard leftover from months ago when you did play, remove all the games, and then decide to tinker around with dma for fun/learning/who cares, riot will still come after you, despite not even playing their games.

even if that seems unlikely, refer back to sentence #2 of my comment: "and even if someone is cheating on a riot game, bricking their pc is obviously fucked, and will end up biting riot in the ass (i.e. not good for riot, either)."

Where does it say Riot bricked anything? They referred to the cards as paperweights but they don't need to be bricked to be a paperweight, being useless to the cheater due to Vanguard protections is enough. They definitely didn't brick anyone's PC.

> you can play league/valorant legitimately, be using dma for whatever else

I don't think there's a way to check what memory a DMA card is accessing. I also don't see why legitimate users would have a DMA card. I think it's fair for them to assume a connection is there and react.

>They referred to the cards as paperweights

DMA cards are not $6k, so it is obvious that riot is not talking about the DMA card specifically. they are ~$300 - ~$700. the image they tweeted alongside was that of broken computers, not of broken DMA cards.

i am not sure why riot would admit to bricking $6k PCs if they werent. that would also be exceptionally stupid.

admittedly, the more i look into it, it appears the reports are soft-bricking (i.e., requiring a complete wipe and reinstallation of the OS, not hard-bricking). which is less awful, but still really awful.

>I also don't see why legitimate users would have a DMA card.

doesn't matter at all. if its not being used to interact with riot games, its none of riot's business and not on riot to determine the legitimacy of owning one.

>I think it's fair for them to assume a connection is there and react.

i think this is a wild take. this is effectively giving ownership of your software and hardware to riot.

if the reaction was simply to ban you from riot servers and games, sure, i could be convinced that's acceptable. but the reaction is beyond that.

> the image they tweeted alongside was that of broken computers, not of broken DMA cards.

Actually, the image they tweeted shows a ton of PCIe cards.

> DMA cards are not $6k

The ones shown in the image they tweeted are! ($5,800 USD -> https://www.heinodma.com/)

> reports are soft-bricking (i.e., requiring a complete wipe and reinstallation of the OS, not hard-bricking)

I still don't think anything is actually bricked. They are just enabling and enforcing IOMMU, HVCI, etc. which prevents them from using their DMA card to cheat. I'm sure they could restore functionality by removing Riot's games and anticheat, disabling IOMMU and HVCI, etc.

No confusion at all. Same unacceptable "we own your machine now" nonsense.