[JeremyNT]

> Yeah, they aren't perfect or always necessarily the best in a given area, but to compare them to IBM is probably missing the forest for the trees.

I think comparing them to IBM is reasonable, just maybe not... today's IBM.

IBM was an absolute hardware and software behemoth leading up to the PC / early Internet era, after which they pivoted from making groundbreaking real things to providing "enterprise support."

They also outlasted almost all of their contemporaries with that pivot, for better or worse.